The Less Traveled Path of Grove City College ( How a College Thrives Without Government Help)

Accuracy In Academia ^ | Eric Langborgh

[SeekAndFind]

Many liberals claim that without the Federal government helping students and putting tax dollars aiding colleges ( both private and public ), higher education in the USA will deteriorate.

Well, here's one college ( the other one being Hillsdale College in Michigan ) proving the liberals wrong.

I thought it would be appropriate to share their recent history to folks in this forum ( especially to those considering sending their kids to college very soon ).

[goodnesswins]

bump for after caucus

[iopscusa]

Thank you for this post about GCC which along with Hinsdale blaze the trail for honest and free academia.
May these shining examples of principled educators and institutions be known far and wide!

[freeangel]

Shhh! We can’t have the people knowing that they can get along without a government to depend on. :)

[monocle]

Let us add Big Academia to the list of demons like Big Oil and Big Drugmakers.

[chopperman]

I’m a Grover. My son’s a Grover. I wish that for my grandchildren.

[Citizen Tom Paine]

Grove City College is a good buy for the money. They have always been fiercely independent.

[SeekAndFind]

I’m a Grover. My son’s a Grover. I wish that for my grandchildren.

Good for you. I attended one of their Vision and Values conferences where they invited Michael Reagan ( Ronald Reagan's son ) to speak.

This college has very rigorous academics, excellent and dedicated faculty, and an outstanding placement record where almost all the students find good jobs within 6 months of graduation or go on to grad school.

To top it all, their tuition plus board and lodging is less than $18,000 ( comparable with state universities ).

So, what are you and your son, both Grovers doing nowadays ?

[Tribune7]

Does anyone know if LIberty University, Ave Maria University and Patrick Henry College have the same policy?

[guitarist]

Yes, but they won’t tell you how much it costs you till you commit to go there! Why don’t they just crunch their numbers and give you the offer before you decide, like all the other colleges do? This turned one of our kids off.

It is a great place, for sure.

[SeekAndFind]

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RE: Does anyone know if LIberty University, Ave Maria University and Patrick Henry College have the same policy?

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Liberty University isn’t that big on real liberty from Uncle Sam. Here is an excerpt from Peterson’c College guide regarding Liberty:

“Students are required to submit a Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) to the
U.S. Department of Education and include Liberty University’s school code (010392) on that application.
This is the student’s application for all financial aid. Approximately 90 percent of the student body received some type of aid last year.”

As for Ave Maria University, unfortunately they haven’t gotten over their Department of Education dependency.
As a result, they’re encountering problems like this :

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=1102&z=3&p=

The US Department of Education sent a letter to officials at Ave Maria University detailing financial aid problems at the school’s campus in Michigan, as well as the one in Naples.

The letter says the Naples campus was not legally authorized to disburse financial aid funds to students after August 14th of 2003. Now the school must repay the government funds given out after that date.

The school will not know how much it will have to repay until the investigation is complete. Some reports put the figure in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Officials at Ave Maria would not speak on camera. The administration was advised not to discuss it with the press until the matter is resolved.

The university issued a brief statement, “Although we believe some mistakes were made in the verification process, we have taken steps to correct any procedural errors. Further, the college believes that students enrolled at the college and attending the Naples site were eligible for financial aid.”

The school is being allowed to distribute obligated funds to students, but the federal money for that must be approved by the government team investigating the issue.

Ave Maria has been told to report the total amount of funds awards to and received by students after August 14, 2003.

Once the review of Ave Maria is complete, the department of education will send a letter to the school letting them know what their liabilities—are and how to appeal the decision.

RE: Patrick Henry College

Yes, this college is also fiercely independent.

This is from their website :
http://www.phc.edu/admissions/financialaid/finaidsearch.asp

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The Scholarship Search

The following resources are provided to assist you in your search for financial aid outside of
Patrick Henry College. Please note: It is important that students use discernment when searching for
scholarship funds. Patrick Henry College is not able to guarantee that all sources are reputable.

Some scholarship programs appear to be eligible but are backed by funds that conflict with the College’s mission.

The College is governed by its Board of Trustees according to its Fundamental Statements and will not accept
any funding, private or governmental, which includes terms which supersede the Board’s authority or conflict with
these Fundamental Statements. Please watch for this, as PHC students may not accept U.S. Department of Education
funds or loans of any kind.

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One of the major liberal criticisms of Patrick Henry College is that a lot of their graduates go on to work
for REPUBLICAN Congressmen and Senator’s offices or “right-wing” organizations.

[Tribune7]

thank you

[ASOC]

Reminds me of the row at BYU over co-ed dorms. HEW said ‘must have’, BYU said ‘stick it”.

They went to court, BYU won.

The lawyer representing BYU wound up working in the DOJ - Solicitor General or some such. Under Ronnie Raygun no less.

Bottom line for any student - do you want an education or just a degree?

[peter the great]

I don’t know the answer to you question but I did not know this about Grove City College until I read it here.

[xsmommy]

The University of Dallas, a Catholic university, accepts no fed funding either.

[Eleutherios]

Grove City College is where the illustrious Austrian economist and teacher, Hans Sennholz, found sanctuary.
Today, Reagan biographer Paul Kengor graces its faculty.

[Tribune7]

I strongly suspect that in a few years time colleges like these are going to provide a much more valuable — as in getting higher paying, more interesting jobs — degree than traditional universities.

[Tribune7]

I strongly suspect that in a few years time colleges like these are going to provide a much more valuable — as in getting higher paying, more interesting jobs — degree than traditional universities.

[xsmommy]

my daughter is a freshman at the U of Dallas. we thoroughly researched colleges and universities, looking for something, southern, conservative and catholic. She is very happy there. it is an excellent school. grads have 90% acceptance rate to med and law schools.

[Tribune7]

Now, the question becomes why are we wasting all that money subsidizing the garbage that goes on at big name universities?

If we are going to spend tax dollars at least restrict it to practical, objective programs at community colleges where the chance for propaganda is minimized.