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THIS IS GETTING DEPRESSING
NEALZ NUZE ^ | President's Day, February 18, 2008 | NEAL BOORTZ

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:23:55 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20

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To: dmw

I copied it and sent email— Subject: Gimme, gimme


21 posted on 02/18/2008 7:20:06 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Turret Gunner A20
re: If someone tells you they’re going to “change” something, wouldn’t you be just the least bit curious as to what in the hell they are going to change from and to?

If one is going to a new hairdresser to get one’s hair cut, and the hairdresser says he is going to give him/her a big change, wouldn’t most people ask for a little information before agreeing to the haircut? After all, there are some really freaky and bizarre hair styles done today, and one of them could be what the hairdresser has in mind. Yet, without any details whatsoever, millions and millions of zombies in this country are agreeing to having Obama as their president without knowing any of the pertinent details at all. All they know is that he is promising "change". This is insanity!

22 posted on 02/18/2008 7:22:40 AM PST by Nevadan (nevadan)
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To: Nevadan
There is a Mencken quote verified on Snopes that tees-up Obama’s “stand for change” motto perfectly.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mencken.asp

23 posted on 02/18/2008 7:46:01 AM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: lonestar

That would make a great bumper sticker for them. : )


24 posted on 02/18/2008 7:47:43 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I thought occurred to me the other day, and this seems like a good place to offer it up for discussion. I do not claim it represents any special insight, or brilliance, or even originality. But I had the thought nonetheless so here it is.

I have often accepted the belief that most people choose security over freedom. That very well may be true, but I'm not sure that's all there is to it in explaining the appeal of socialism. I also try to give lefties the benefit of the doubt. I believe they are, other than their leaders who are by and large control freaks, well meaning and sincerely believe that their ideas will be better for society. Many Democrats claim love of America and defend the freedoms of our Constitution while working to undermine them at every turn. What can explain this phenomenon?

I believe that a large portion of Americans see freedom as important only in the realm of their personal lives, and possible only then when unencumbered by responsibility. They seek freedom to do drugs, have sex, work when and where they want, free from the consequences of mortgages and employers that have for so long "oppressed" the masses. Jobs and spouses and even child raising are seen as anchors that weigh down the expression of one's true inner self.

To them, socialism IS freedom, and opiate that deludes them into thinking the rules of life can be changed to forever make the burdens of civilization melt away. They're wrong, of course. There's no free lunch. But they fight and strive for the day when no one is responsible for themselves except to express the whims of their inner souls, forever children in a world where the government is the only adult.

25 posted on 02/18/2008 7:52:05 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Turret Gunner A20

But what about “the children”. The poor, undocumented, children?


26 posted on 02/18/2008 8:04:13 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
You are stumbling on a key insight that many other conservative thinkers have expressed, particularly on the neocon and traditionalist right.

The idea of unlimited personal freedoms within a larger context of unfreedom has been a theme of many conservative books, among them Saul Bellow's Mr. Sammler's Planet (which I consider his masterwork- I cannot commend this book highly enough). The protagonist, Artur Sammler, was a Jewish intellectual who survived a massacre in a Nazi prison camp, and hid out in occupied Poland during World War II. The book finds him in late-60s NYC, at a turning point in his intellectual life. Although he was at one time a Fabian socialist who admired HG Wells, he begins to reject that ideology by seeing its product around him in late-60s New York City. He muses that William Blake's "dark satanic mills" (Blake's metaphor for the factories of the industrial revolution) had been replaced by "light satanic mills" (the modern sybaritic city). He asserts that this is an intentional outcome on the part of a technocratic elite who believed that the majority of people were incapable of handling freedom. In essence, a bargain was made in allowing unlimited personal freedoms but no freedom in questioning this ideological framework.

This was also the theme of Aldous Huxley's dystopian novel, Brave New World.

Culture critics on the left and right have observed that in our post-industrial, service-oriented economy, there has emerged a post-bourgeois, post-literate culture. An entire class of people have no aspirations to seek a traditional bourgeois lifestyle, and they are not willing to subject themselves to the traditional mores that were a marker of upper-middle class membership. This culture is also postliterate in the sense that semiotics matter more than content. A example: If Obama spreaks on race relations, his words carry more credibility than if John McCain does, even if their words are exactly the same.

Many of these themes were first articulated by the left in the 1950s, but a conservative analysis that relied on many of the same cultural observations emerged in the neoconservative right (particularly Commentary Magazine, writers such as Irving Horowitz and Gertrude Himmelfarb) in the 1960s. The neocons were former leftists, and brought this mode of critique with them when they migrated to the right.

Allan Bloom was a close friend of Saul Bellow's, and certainly had an influence on such works as Sammler's Planet.

One can still see this type of analysis in Commentary, City Journal, as well as writers such as Theodore Dalrymple, whose book Our Culture: What's Left of It presents a stunning critique of the decline of moral order and its consequences for our freedom.

27 posted on 02/18/2008 10:24:03 AM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov
Yet certain features of modern thought do not fit neatly into this analysis. How can smoking bans, which are completely at odds with calls for legalization of drugs, be part of a bargain allowing unlimited personal freedoms? And how can we explain their support on both sides of the aisle?
28 posted on 02/18/2008 10:31:44 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Red Badger
Changes
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29 posted on 02/18/2008 10:32:39 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
* Give me health care.
* Give me prescription drugs.
* Make them raise my salary.
* Make them bring my job back.
* Give me lifetime job security.
* Pay my heating bill
* Make my gasoline cheaper
* Pay for my kid's college education
* Give me a comfortable retirement
* Give me free transportation

Let me know the first candidate that can do this without raising taxes and I'll vote for them.

30 posted on 02/18/2008 10:34:25 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I should point out that in general, the left celebrates the emergence of a post-bourgeois, postliterate culture, seeing it as an type of “diversity” that we should embrace.

Some techno-utopians (usually Randian libertarians) see it as a hopeful sign. Their

Obviously, the right does not see these developments in a positive light. Many people who identify with the “old left” (as opposed to the new left, which enjoys making political gestures and postures) do not either. These leftists are alarmed by it too, as they believe that their programs can only be made top work if there is a possibility for rational political discourse.


31 posted on 02/18/2008 10:34:47 AM PST by oblomov
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To: SoCal Pubbie

My take is that it is part of the replacement of traditional moral judgement with scientific judgement. For example, it was the presentation of scientific evidence in favor of alcohol Prohibition that helped the 19th Amendment pass through the state legislatures so quickly. As permanent adolescents, we can’t be trusted to make our own decisions about our health. Although many Republicans support such laws, in my experience they are the more liberal Republicans, with a few exceptions. In many cases, they are simply submitting to pressure from well-organized interest groups.


32 posted on 02/18/2008 11:43:14 AM PST by oblomov
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To: dmw
bumper sticker----

REPUBLICAN

Because everybody can't be on welfare

33 posted on 02/18/2008 3:57:37 PM PST by lonestar
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To: Turret Gunner A20
It is perfectly clear what Obama means when he talks about change. What he is referring to is the money you will have left after he raises your taxes.


34 posted on 02/18/2008 4:03:25 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I want free pizzas and candy


35 posted on 02/18/2008 4:07:05 PM PST by woofie
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