Posted on 02/24/2008 1:41:05 PM PST by ScratInTheHat
Energy independence now. We ignore this situation or drag our feet at our peril.
Except that the higher price in Europe isn't a reflection of differing market forces .. it's simply the result of higher taxes there than here.
This is one of the biggest lies ever told.
There has never been a year in my life where our proven oil reserves has failed to increase. Meanwhile the scaremongers keep screaming that the sky is falling. Oil is not a fossil fuel, and the earth is making more than we are using.
Can we move on to some intelligent discussion?
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Precisely.
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It's "Brittany Spears"
Sure, exactly! My reason for mentioning this is simply that Europeans have gotten used to paying that much and their economy still functions at that higher price. If we wanted to be totaly free of oil imports, the price in Europe shows how much ‘headroom’ we have and can still function, not that it would be pleasant.
Happily, there are plenty of conversion technolgies that have a break-even point that is close to the present world price of crude.
I’m beginning to wonder about the limits of fossil fuels. I read the other day that by 2020, China will have 350 million middle-class people with automobiles, more than the U.S. This demand for oil from China did not exist at all 30 years ago. Combine that growth with the middle-class growth in India and I have no doubt we are definitely straining the world’s oil production capability.
I also believe that the 500 year supply of coal was for a fixed U.S. population that existed around 1970 and that per-capita energy consumption would not increase.
Lastly, “net energy” from oil shale and oil sands is considerably below “net energy” from petroleum extraction. In other words, it takes a lot more energy to extract and process a BTU of liquid fuel from oil sands and oil shale than it does to pump oil out of the ground. That doesn’t bode well for liquid energy prices.
The sky is falling again.......
Syngas?
At least Hillary and whoever only had one child.
Who are you trying to fool, Thomas Gold doesn't know anything about geology?? Really?
Adjust to The Reality
"The study also confirmed a major argument of Cornell University physicist Thomas Gold, who argued in his book "The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels" that micro-organisms found in oil might have come from the mantle of the earth where, absent photosynthesis, the micro-organisms feed on hydrocarbons arising from the earth's mantle in the dark depths of the ocean floors."
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Just remember that the current population of the earth could fit into an area the size of Texas - 35 people to an acre. That would leave the entire rest of the earth unpopulated. Our population could multiple many, many times before critical mass is reached. Would lifestyles have to change? Of course. But all any of us really needs is a warm place during the winter and food to eat. Those things come pretty cheaply - a sustainable forest and arable land.
This is where everyone has there heads in the sand.
It’s like the wind energy crap. The amount of energy it takes to build the machine to capture wind energy negates the amount you will get out of it over it’s working life.
Without Oil everything they are working on gives back so little return (except nuclear) that it’s just never going to fly.
Consumption is going to outpace supply in the next 10 to 20 years at the latest.
Like I posted in the header.
Jump over the lib crap.
And it doesn’t matter if the earth produces it naturally (which I believe is very likely). That production will not keep up with the consumption rates.
Sounds like just the kind of place that everyone would be killing everyone else.
This explains all the hydrocarbons on Europa. See, all the dinasaurs who died eons ago, on Europa, they created the finite amount of hydrocarbons present on that moon.
>oil is a finite, non-renewable resource<
Well, let’s start by not accepting this premise.
Then we’ll move on, if you don’t mind, and reject any assertions that point in the direction of the need for “population control”.
Nonsense. I can show you wind turbines that have been running, producing more energy each day that they run than it took to manufacture them, since the mid 60s.
The hills near our ranch are dotted with old, still working wind turbines, that require almost no maintainance (and that is a lucky thing, since people are not inclined to maintain things until they fail).
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