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CLICKING ON THE WRONG WEB SITE IS NOW A FEDERAL CRIME
UNDERNEWS ^ | March 20, 2008 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 03/24/2008 2:16:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: 728b

I am also skeptical. At the same time, I wonder what some of those who object most vociferously to this program (but probably unwilling to even research the details of the program beyond even this somewhat poorly written article) would have to say about the gov’t programs to intercept/eavesdrop on telephone conversations between known international terrorist phone numbers and domestic phone numbers, or about the monitoring of foreign banking transactions of known or suspected terrorist organizations.


121 posted on 03/24/2008 3:36:22 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: lesser_satan
Yes, but it’s your IP address, and it will be your door being kicked in by nice men with balaclavas and MP-5’s at 3:00 AM, and your dog being shot. At that point, the fact that they don’t find anything they can prosecute you for will be very, very small comfort.

Rule 41. Search and Seizure

(a) Scope and Definitions.

(1) Scope. This rule does not modify any statute regulating search or seizure, or the issuance and execution of a search warrant in special circumstances.

(2) Definitions. The following definitions apply under this rule:

(A) "Property" includes documents, books, papers, any other tangible objects, and information.

(B) "Daytime" means the hours between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. according to local time.

(C) "Federal law enforcement officer" means a government agent (other than an attorney for the government) who is engaged in enforcing the criminal laws and is within any category of officers authorized by the Attorney General to request a search warrant.

(D) "Domestic terrorism" and "international terrorism" have the meanings set out in 18 USC § 2331.

(E) "Tracking device" has the meaning set out in 18 USC § 3117(b).

Issuing the Warrant.

(1) In General. The magistrate judge or a judge of a state court of record must issue the warrant to an officer authorized to execute it.

(2) Contents of the Warrant. The warrant must identify the person or property to be searched, identify any person or property to be seized, and designate the magistrate judge to whom it must be returned. The warrant must command the officer to:

(A) execute the warrant within a specified time no longer than 10 days;

(B) execute the warrant during the daytime, unless the judge for good causeexpressly authorizes execution at another time; and

(C) return the warrant to the magistrate judge designated in the warrant.

122 posted on 03/24/2008 3:37:44 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: montag813
MS-13 is turning half of America into a war zone, and they can spare agents for this shit? Are you kidding me?

It's safer to hide behind a computer and set up scumbags who aren't likely to be violent when the full weight and force of the federal government drops on their heads as they cower in their parents basement. They go after MS-13 and they might get shot at.

It's simple economics, risk versus reward.

Everyone hates pedophiles anyway bust a few and you're hailed as a hero, but not everyone hates latino gangs, bust some of them and you're liable to be stepping on some very influential toes.
123 posted on 03/24/2008 3:38:11 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

One more thing Dawg ,this porn crap is just that and will be treated as such,,a rapid response team will be knocking if someone is looking into , say , how to make a certain type of bomb,ect..,and if it happens at 2-4AM,someone will wind up dead,and that’s fact ,depending on who you are .

I know this thread is about porn,though I asked about this here wireless setup.


124 posted on 03/24/2008 3:39:33 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Thank God for good directions,and turnip greens,,)
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To: freedomwarrior998
As a senior systems analyst who is proficient in ASP.NET, C#, javascript, and AJAX......

...... allow me to inform you that you are an idiot.

You're welcome.

125 posted on 03/24/2008 3:39:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz (We're all gonna die!!!!)
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To: t1b8zs

especially if you rename the link to “ free power tools” or something like that


126 posted on 03/24/2008 3:40:39 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah, because you are so well informed as to the exact intricacies of the FBI hyper-link program. </sarcasm>


127 posted on 03/24/2008 3:41:08 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: silentreignofheroes
"I do appreciate all the information,did not think about others using this network."

Its a bit scary when you get to the reality that a hacker can destroy an unsuspecting internet user's life without much effort at all.

Be it phishing for identity theft or hacking financial files or malicious virus insertion or the newer trends of stealing wireless and using it for nefarious dealings on the net, it can destroy a normal person in a matter of minutes.

And now the FBI is taking the threat to a new level with "Operation Mindcrime." Percieved intent gets them in the door with a "legal" warrant?

Wow, color me "uber paranoid" now!

128 posted on 03/24/2008 3:41:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Lazamataz
Now now, be nice. Or I may just have to inflict this on you.
129 posted on 03/24/2008 3:42:10 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: VRWCmember
Assuming the authorities do not find any actual illegal files on your computer, there would be no prosecution because no actual crime was committed even though the authorities believe one was attempted.

But in the meantime, your computer is gone for several months - (hope you don't depend on it for income) - and you have spend big bucks on a lawyer, if you're smart, - and you spend many sleepless nights = if you aren't so naive as to think the law is so honest and above board, everything will - eventually - turn out OK...oh, and then there's the friends, family and neighbors thing...

If this kind of 'thought crime' is allowed to continue, we will - in the not too distant future - learn what it was like for citizens who lived under Communist Russia

130 posted on 03/24/2008 3:45:01 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: silentreignofheroes
Yessir!~

I think the words "slippery Slope" apply here!

131 posted on 03/24/2008 3:45:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: maine-iac7
If this kind of 'thought crime' is allowed to continue, we will - in the not too distant future - learn what it was like for citizens who lived under Communist Russia

Your RealID papers, please... comrade.

133 posted on 03/24/2008 3:46:40 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: freedomwarrior998
Anyone screaming about this has to be into kiddie porn, because there is no other reason for one to be throwing a tantrum over it.

Well anyone knowing a little html can make a link to look different from what you think you're getting. The phisher sites do this to get user names and passwords.

134 posted on 03/24/2008 3:47:49 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: the_daug

I don’t think that this a workable plan. Too many variables to manage.


135 posted on 03/24/2008 3:48:47 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: VRWCmember

I am amused by the statements here that you have nothing to worry about if there is no porn on your computer....that all they will do is enter your home with a search warrant and seize your computer and then return it when they are through digging in it.

First, since when is it of no consequence that the cops enter your house and go through all of your private papers and business????

Second, who has a computer that does not have something private on it, even if it is only his bank account and stock investments?

Third, why can’t the holy and pure see that this is unreasonable search. Clicking is not probable cause,,,downloading is.

Last, I have a new Logitech mouse and when I use it with linux, which I am now, it occasionally gets very sensitive and will click when I don’t intend for it to. For instance, when looking at the weather, it will occasionally click on one of the ads as I pass over it to go to another part of the forecast. So far, I have not been able to adjust the sensitivity to the point that I can cure this.

So accidental, highjack, phish or whatever, this is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of.

My sig:
If we do not wish to lose our freedom, we must learn to tolerate our
neighbor’s right to freedom even though he might express that freedom
in a manner we consider to be eccentric.


136 posted on 03/24/2008 3:49:17 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: M203M4
I dare someone to click this link: http://tinyurl.com/yqjjom

That's sneaky. How does one do that?

137 posted on 03/24/2008 3:50:42 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: the_daug

True. But there are safeguards built into the FBI program to prevent this from happening.


138 posted on 03/24/2008 3:50:48 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Mad Dawgg

“Wow, color me “uber paranoid” now!”

You ,too,!!!, must be something going around.

Left electronics alittle while back and have’nt kept up,hated programming,Gonna figure out what I can do, (besides checking my line of fire)


139 posted on 03/24/2008 3:50:52 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Thank God for good directions,and turnip greens,,)
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To: maine-iac7

If I had seen your post, which you posted while I was writing mine, I would not have posted because you said it so much better.

By the way, while trying to copy your name, my mouse did its thing and attempted to take me to your page. So it is that easy to get trapped.

Yours was a very good post.


140 posted on 03/24/2008 3:53:16 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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