Posted on 06/04/2008 6:12:59 PM PDT by elkfersupper
And yet people still don’t believe that police officers routinely act this way.
You are part of the problem and not a part of the solution (and no solution is needed because this is an exaggerated problem, BTW).
I don't follow you, and I don't really wish to argue about this; I was just sharing my experiences and observations, not telling you what you are or making judgments.
If I elect to avoid trouble with cops, by not spitting in their eye when they stop me on the road, I'm being intelligent and self-preserving, like any creature that lives to fight another day.
Look, I'm libertarian by natures, I hate restrictions on my freedom, I work to expand everyone's liberty whenever and wherever I can, and I'm more effective when I'm not in custody. How is not being a martyr considered being "part of the problem"?
Or am I missing some subtle tongue-in-cheek aspect to your comment?
> ... (and no solution is needed because this is an exaggerated problem, BTW).
Well, I don't like being stopped on the road when I'm not breaking the law, ever. Invasion of privacy is a growing problem. But America's nothing like a police state yet; there's still plenty of hope (hope! for change!) as long as we avoid electing a totalitarian regime. Neither of the major party candidates is free of that taint.
I don't need to say more.
Ah, thank you, you have identified the source of our disagreement, though you have misunderstood me somewhat.
You are correct that I do believe (and I suppose advocate) that for an individual, stopped by a cop on the road, it is generally inadvisable to piss that cop off as a matter of principle. Some people advocate confrontation as an answer to confrontation; in this situation I do not.
However, that is because I don't believe that that cop is the central problem, per se. I believe that the law that allows, even encourages, that cop to act like that, and lets them get away with it, is the real problem.
I work to change, or better to eliminate, laws that restrict personal freedom. That is, I prefer to attack the problem at the root, rather than at the branches.
FWIW, where you misunderstand me is here: I completely "reject the premise that it is something that should be done" (assuming by "it" you meant "abusive and fraudulent activity on the part of cops").
He or she is judge, jury and executioner.
That is just wrong and needs to be remedied.
It can't be remedied if one simply tells them what they want to hear and skates (odds are that isn't going to happen anyway).
Your first contact with the machine in this particular perceived offense is in control of the outcome from the moment you attract their attention.
She is definitely NOT GUILTY!
IMO, my brother drinks to much and got stopped for some silly reason, I think it was the license plate light. I’m sure he was drunk but he has practiced the field sobriety test extensively and it didn’t matter what the cop asked, he passed with flying colors, even standing on one foot for 5 minutes and yes, he proved to me that he could do it. He doesn’t know why the cop didn’t give him a breathylizer test but he didn’t and he had to let him go.
LOL Never heard of anyone practicing that!
I used to drive to work at 3am in a POS car. I used to get pulled over a regularly. At first I was polite etc but after a few times I was getting a little belligerent.
Nobody should have to put up with that.
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