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Stalin and Tsar Nicholas II neck and neck for title of greatest Russian
Times of London ^ | 07/16/08 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 07/15/2008 5:34:38 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Borges
See post #59. They were influential in the west, but Russia still developed apart from western civilization until Catherine (Peter merely opened the door).

This does not minimize the great achievements of Russian authors, scientists, artists, and monarchs. However, to call Russia a "western" country is to ignore the thousands of years of history when it was culturally and politically isolated from the west, yet had strong cultural, economic, and political relations with the east of south.

61 posted on 07/16/2008 2:07:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC, not a "Will of the People" Mobocracy)
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To: Clemenza

I think you mean Dostoevsky not Tolstoy. The latter was more internationalist especially later in life.


62 posted on 07/16/2008 2:26:27 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Clemenza

Evading the issue are we?

Let me explain further: Not sure what your definition of “western” is but if you include the positive aspects of it then there there would never have been any “western” culture without the wisdom of the Levant and that includes Greece ..and even more the “Eastern” Christian Church and its adherents.


63 posted on 07/16/2008 5:11:06 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Fiji Hill
Apparently, about half of those who remained behind were sent to Siberia, while the other half was sent to Kazakhstan.

I actually found a website with a description of my great-grandparents' home village, Huck (now known as Splavnucha), which is located about sixty miles southwest of Saratov. The site also includes some letters from some of the villagers who opted to remain behind.

Here's the website.

And here's another site with some additional info.

64 posted on 07/16/2008 7:15:31 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: Clemenza
They developed a highly unique culture apart from the west.

Absolutely correct. I agree. I have lived there a few times for a few months and was able to mostly speak the language while immersed in it, after two semesters of formal study. It is a unique culture and one of a kind, imo.

65 posted on 07/16/2008 7:40:46 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: eleni121
Russia had a history prior to its adoption of Christianity. There were actually several cases in history where the Russian nobility came close to converting to Islam. Moreover, the adoption of Christianity of any kind does not make one "western." If that were the case, the Philippines (one of the most devoutly Christian nations on earth) would be "western." Don't get me started on pre-Christian and post-Christian western culture either.

Russia's unique culture will forever set it apart from the west. It makes for a more interesting country as a result.

66 posted on 07/16/2008 11:45:48 PM PDT by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC, not a "Will of the People" Mobocracy)
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To: Clemenza
throwing around terms like “western” or “eastern” without any inkling of what the terms mean (or unwillingness to say) does not your specious argument any good.

Oh and BTW-The Russian people did not adopt just any Christianity—they adopted the earliest and most correct form - Orthodoxy.

(As for the Philippines - my travel there showed a fair to middling devout Roman Catholic people worshiping a syncretic blend of traditional and RC beliefs.)

67 posted on 07/17/2008 3:41:48 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Fractal Trader
Russia's top court refuses to rule last czar and his family political victims - November 8, 2007 - Russia's highest court on Thursday refused to recognize the executed last czar Nicholas II and his family as victims of political repression — a ruling Kremlin critics said was dictated by the government's reluctance to condemn the bloodiest chapters of the country's Communist past. The Supreme Court upheld repeated rulings by lower courts and prosecutors that the 1918 slaying of the czar, his wife and their five children by a Bolshevik firing squad was premeditated murder, not a political reprisal, said German Lukyanov, a lawyer for the royal family's descendants. "This is an illegal decision," Lukyanov told The Associated Press. "It states that the Bolsheviks did not violate the rights and freedoms of the czar and his family by locking them up and then executing them."

Prosecutors have consistently refused a petition by descendants of the royal family to recognize the killings as political, and a Moscow court earlier this year declined to order them to do so. After its latest decision, in September, the Prosecutor General's Office said an investigation found that no court or "extrajudicial body" had issued any sort of execution or repression order ahead of the killings.

Human rights activists said the ruling fit in with what they said was reluctance by President Vladimir Putin and his government to confront Russia's Soviet past. Putin, who has stressed the need for patriotism and pride, has restored Soviet-era symbols, such as the music for the national anthem, and said Western portrayals of the Soviet era were too negative. Declaring Nicholas a political victim "would be same as recognizing that the history of our state is based on violence and crime," said Arseny Roginsky, a historian and member of the human rights group Memorial. He said the court's ruling was politically motivated and followed an "obvious trend toward the left in the country. Lukyanov said the Supreme Court's ruling meant Russian authorities "do not want to condemn Bolshevism." Roginsky said a document showing that the execution of the czar's family had been ordered by the Bolshevik authority in Yekaterinburg could be found in state archives. In a further indication of political motives, he said, the slayings were carried out to prevent Nicholas from becoming a symbol of resistance against Bolshevism. "Of course the Romanovs were victims of repressions," the Interfax news agency quoted human rights activist Lyudmila Alexeyeva, director of the Moscow Helsinki Group, as saying. "They were shot by the people who held power. And now, as historians have found, the highest authorities knew about it."

68 posted on 07/17/2008 10:33:47 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I admit-—That news has ruined my day.


69 posted on 07/17/2008 12:32:19 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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