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Myths of the Obamacans
Financial Times ^ | Aug. 15, 2008 | Christopher Caldwell

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:18:25 AM PDT by FocusNexus

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To: FocusNexus
"You WILL pick one and if you are attacking McCain, and are trying to discourage conservatives to get out and vote for McCain, you ARE voting for Obama.

Let me get this straight.... I am supposed to support someone who has attacked and thumbed his nose at us Conservatives repeatedly?.

Point 2... Have you ever heard of the concept of principal? I as a true conservative could never support someone who is opposed to 85% of what I believe. Point 3... Since when is there only two choices?.... I could support a 3rd party, or even vote in every other election except presidential. You and the rest of your McCain Koolaidites have gall dictating whether we should support a RINO just becuase he is less crappy than the Marxist dim.

Thank God your crowd wasn't around during the 1770's....And by the way do you think Pelosi is a hero as McCain stated?

41 posted on 08/16/2008 6:32:24 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

“I am supposed to support someone who has attacked and thumbed his nose at us Conservatives repeatedly?.”

Precisely you are NOT supposed to support Obama who is an antithesis of everything conservatives stand for.

So WHY are you supporting Obama and claim to be a conservative?

PS You really should look up the difference between principle and principal.


42 posted on 08/16/2008 6:36:44 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: catfish1957

make that principle instead of principal in my last post....sorry for the typo


43 posted on 08/16/2008 6:37:58 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: FocusNexus
GEEZ Louise....Just where do you see where I say I support Obama? Give it up man, many of us are not going to support a left leaning RINO...Okay????...

And by the way.. glad you can spell principle, because you obviously don't have any.

44 posted on 08/16/2008 6:41:28 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

When the choice is A or B and you are telling me emphatically you will do everything to avoid A, you ARE choosing B.

You may try to confuse your conscience, but the bottom line is that YOU ARE HELPING OBAMA to become president and destroy the country.

I will leave you with these quotes:

“However noble their intentions, conservatives who do not vote for John McCain will be morally complicit in what happens to America during an Obama presidency.” — Dennis Prager

“I am now committed to doing everything I can within my power to get John McCain elected,” Mr. Scarborough said, “because I am 100 percent committed to seeing that Barack Obama is not elected.”

(for links to articles you can go to my FR homepage)


45 posted on 08/16/2008 6:45:56 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus
Flawed Logic. If we as conservatives give our consent to this RINO, the RNC will irreparably shift to the left.

If we are in the mood to quote high profile conservatives, here's a few for your review too....

"Regardless of which party wins the election, FR will be going full-time into the anti-big government mode. We'll be on an all out war footing. We'll be fighting against tax hikes, unconstitutional government expansion, socialized healthcare, global warming baloneyism, amnesty, gun-control, etc, and for our rights and for constitutionalist judges, etc. We are the dissent, baby."

........Jim Robinson... June 09, 2008

Just as the RINO Rudy Giuliani learned the hard way, I sincerely doubt that the RINO John McCain will gain enough support from the conservative grassroots to win the presidency. Unless, of course, he takes some drastic measures NOW to EARN their support. He ignores them at his own peril.........Jim Robinson (A great Conservative)March 04, 2008.

If I believe the country will suffer with either Hillary, Obama or McCain, I would just as soon the Democrats take the hit . . . rather than a Republican causing the debacle," he said. "And I would prefer not to have conservative Republicans in the Congress paralyzed by having to support, out of party loyalty, a Republican president who is not conservative".....Rush Limbaugh (Maybe the greatest present Conservative) February 08, 2008.

I think a tandem of Robinson and Limbaugh trumps your cast.....sorry.

46 posted on 08/16/2008 7:25:04 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

If you watched the Saddleback interview today, you could have seen that McCain HAS taken measures to show he will govern as a conservative president. If you haven’t seen it, read the thread and watch the repeat later tonight.


47 posted on 08/16/2008 7:39:12 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus
I'm open minded...agree to read the transcript.

CF1957

48 posted on 08/16/2008 7:43:01 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

Glad to hear it.

Reading the transcript is definitely the next best thing, but if you can watch the interview — 1 hr w McCain — try to do so. He was straight forward, confident, said and MEANT all the right things you would want to hear.

— Unlike Obama who was obfuscating, equivocating and was very insincere.


49 posted on 08/16/2008 7:47:38 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: catfish1957

Foxnews is just starting the repeat broadcast of the two hour interview.

If you can’t watch, I recommend taping it.

Then I really am interested to know what you think, after watching it.


50 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:10 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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51 posted on 08/16/2008 10:09:08 PM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ..

Thanks justiceseeker93.


52 posted on 08/17/2008 12:28:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for sharing your insights!


53 posted on 08/17/2008 7:53:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: FocusNexus

Every prez election we get stories in the media about “long-time Republicans” who are voting Dems for various reasons. They usually go something like this: “Gee, I’ve been a conservative Republican all my life. I taught Milton Friedman everything he knew about economics, but gosh darn it, Obama’s brand of socialist collectivism and redistribution so inspired me, I’ve decided to vote for him.”


54 posted on 08/18/2008 6:20:25 AM PDT by driftless2
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“YA THINK? I could have told you that a long, long time ago.”

LOL, yeah I guess you could have. Another member since 2000. We see it all here, the good, the bad, and the beauty-challenged.


55 posted on 08/18/2008 12:09:31 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: catfish1957

“Let me get this straight.... I am supposed to support someone who has attacked and thumbed his nose at us Conservatives repeatedly?”

YES. He is the best man to lead the country.
Think COUNTRY FIRST. For the sake of the country, we cannot let Barack Obama become President.

“Point 2... Have you ever heard of the concept of principal?”

Your school principal never taught you how to spell properly.
My *principles* say put country first when voting for President.

“I as a true conservative could never support someone who is opposed to 85% of what I believe.”

You also weren’t too good in math. McCain’s lifetime ACU rating is 80%. McCain is *NOT* opposed to most of what you believe, if you believe in tax cuts, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, restraining spending, and winning the war on terror.

“Since when is there only two choices?” Third parties have never been elected President and only extremely rarely elected to any Federal office.

“I could support a 3rd party, or even vote in every other election except presidential.” You could and in doing so, you are indicating that you think it doesnt matter if Obama is elected over McCain. Your blithe non-concern needs a corrective:

Obama is the MOST LEFTWING NOMINEE EVER. He is also the least experienced and least capable candidate in a long time. If you are not absolutely frightened by the fact that Obama leads the polls despite these facts ... you are not paying attention.

“dictating whether we should support a RINO just becuase he is less crappy than the Marxist dim.”
- Yes, you should support even a RINO against a Marxist Democrat who will fold like a cheap empty suit to the despots of the world. If you think its not worth voting McCain over
... two words: Jimmy Carter.
... and two more words: Never Again!


56 posted on 08/18/2008 12:18:52 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: catfish1957

“Flawed Logic. If we as conservatives give our consent to this RINO, the RNC will irreparably shift to the left.”

The November election is about what happens to the COUNTRY, not the RNC.

The RNC is dictated by the state votes for your national committeeman and committeewoman. Here in Texas, the RNC is headed by two very *conservative* people: Cathie Adams and Bill Crocker. They wont change no matter what the outcome in November.

Both have spoken in our county party meetings in recent months. Both made very clear why conservatives need to be
Adams came and spoke just last week, and had the book “Obama Nation” with her as she pointed out a few things about Obama, in particular how his involvement in Kenya politics relates to what we can expect as President. Obama helped a guy who cut deals with Islamic extremists and fomented violence after an election.

They are clearly on board the “I didnt vote for McCain in the primary, but I sure as h*ll will be voting for him in November” bandwagon. A lot of conservatives are doing that, as the correct and *principled* way to save America from an Obama Nation.


57 posted on 08/18/2008 12:24:41 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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McCain was quoted as saying that Pelosi was a hero. Is she your hero too? You call yourself a Texan, but can apologize for his absolute wrong position on immigration. I just hope you don't live too close to the border to regret it.

Come back and post again when he has named Lieberman or another RINO for VP, and explain that. Bottom line, principle does count (thanks for the insult with my typo btw), and the number of Conservatives accepting the koolaid is really disturbing.

58 posted on 08/19/2008 3:28:46 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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John Sidney McCain called Pelosi a hero?? Nancy Pelosi?? Why??

John McCain is a Democrat, and a creepy one. Look at his amnesty, his extensive lying and flip flopping, and he'd be bringing the other woman to the White House.

59 posted on 08/19/2008 3:44:28 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: catfish1957

“McCain was quoted as saying that Pelosi was a hero. Is she your hero too? “

Are you incapable of saying a kind word about people with whom you have some disagreements?
oh wait, I guess not.

“You call yourself a Texan, but can apologize for his absolute wrong position on immigration. I just hope you don’t live too close to the border to regret it.”
I have no apologies for my position on immigration, which happens to be quite different from McCain’s. I dont have to agree with McCain on immigration to know he’s better than Obama on taxes, judges, life, war on terror, spending, values issues, etc. The fact is, as bad as McCain is on immigration, Obama is distinctly worse on that issue and every other issue under the sun.

“Come back and post again when he has named Lieberman”
He wont do that. You should be praising McCain *NOW* for saying the right things at Saddleback. Will you vote for him when he names a conservative VP?

“the number of Conservatives accepting the koolaid is really disturbing.” - No koolaid, just patriotism. We have a country to save from a Marxist charlatan and the liberal Obamedia. COUNTRY FIRST.

“Bottom line, principle does count” - Yes, the principle that we should VOTE FOR THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB is a good one. Another good principle is: If you want to vote for someone you agree with 100%, run for office, because nobody else will live up to that standard.


60 posted on 08/19/2008 8:12:16 AM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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