Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Dispatch Poll: Obama Opens Lead On McCain (Ohio: 49 Obama, 42 McCain)
Columbus Dispatch ^ | 10/5/08 | Darrel Rowland

Posted on 10/05/2008 9:40:26 AM PDT by steve-b

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-109 next last
To: pieceofthepuzzle

Or C) recognize this poll as the steaming pile of feces that it is.


41 posted on 10/05/2008 9:57:25 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: indylindy

Ohio has one of the most corrupt Secretary of State’s in the nation. She’s directly responsibly for all of the fraud here.


42 posted on 10/05/2008 9:59:05 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: sunmars; impeachedrapist; Perdogg
Now If 90% of Republicans and 7% of Dems go for McCain and 84% of Dems and 5% of Republicans go for Obama and independents split evenly in that poll, for Obama to be 7 up 49 to 42 means they hade to oversample dems by more than 10 to 15%.

Exactly. And to add some historical context, in 2004 the breakdown in Ohio was 35D, 40R, and 25I. And in 2004, the Independents went for Kerry, while in this poll they are evenly split.

This is yet another in an endless line of national and state-by-state polls that is clearly oversampling Democrats.

43 posted on 10/05/2008 9:59:09 AM PDT by kesg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: sunmars; jveritas; Chet 99

I can’t speak to the 15% without crunching numbers, but it’s absolute nonsense to expect this poll is representative of the state of Ohio. Yet the drama queens show no sign of slowing down.


44 posted on 10/05/2008 9:59:38 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Bobkk47

Hyperbole is fun, but it also relieves us of our real responsibilities. If you create an end of the world gloom and doom scenario we won’t be vigilant against the small steps it takes to get there.


45 posted on 10/05/2008 9:59:43 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Comparative Advantage
McCain better shore up his support in the south half of Ohio in the coming weeks.

That and find a way to counter the economic message that Odumbo is hammering. In a state with an unemployment rate of 7%+ and rising, McCain hasn't been able to do that effectively. Trying to sell the globalist outsoucing-is-good message that isn't playing very well isn't going to get it done.

The 'Rats are running the same plays from their '06 game plan. And why not? It won them a blowout victory in the state then, and may do likewise this time around if the McCain camp doesn't come up with something. Promising laid-off fiftysomethings "retraining" or financial assistance to buy books for classes at their local community college in how to empty bedpans is probably not going to win many votes.

46 posted on 10/05/2008 10:00:35 AM PDT by chimera
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: BookmanTheJanitor

...you saved me the trouble. Thanks.


47 posted on 10/05/2008 10:01:23 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Dissident Cons Democrat

Liberal rag in a liberal town.

Fair and accurate.


48 posted on 10/05/2008 10:01:35 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: chimera

I haven’t looked at the poll but with the numbers of undecideds so high none of these polls will be accurate till election day. Also this polls does not have numbers from after the VP Debate. Watching and arguing over the accuracy of the polls doesn’t help anything, we need to get out there and work. I was at the local Chesterfield office here in VA and there was a black woman supporting McCain. She said she didn’t trust Obama and she was picking up information to argue with her friends in support of McCain. If she can do that then we can do more. This country would not be here if George Washington had quit when the polls were against him and they weren’t polls taken by statisticians. They were polls counted in battles lost and human lives. The same could be said for Abraham Lincoln, if he’d given into the polls the Civil war would’ve been lost. John McCain needs to do a better job that is certain. He has not lost yet. Check the polls again on Monday and Tuesday.


49 posted on 10/05/2008 10:01:35 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: itsPatAmerican; kesg
Very well said. All this drama really is, in my mind, just an excuse for folks who don't want to do anything. If it's a "Landslide for McCain, baby!!" they don't have to do anything. If it's "Woe is us, McCain is incompetent and blowing it!" it's useless to try, so they don't have to do anything.

Bush carried Ohio by two points in 2004 and by four points four years earlier.

50 posted on 10/05/2008 10:01:52 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: kesg

It’s not safe to assume that the inner city turnout for BHS will be enormouts? I’m just raising the question.


51 posted on 10/05/2008 10:02:29 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: sofaman
...although virtually all the responses came before Thursday night's debate between the Delaware senator and Alaska governor.

Nice try steve-b.

52 posted on 10/05/2008 10:02:35 AM PDT by BigBobber
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Perdogg
More important is the race factor. Kerry got 44% of the White in Ohio versus Bush 56%. For Obama to be leading by 7 points means that he is getting 48% of the White votes versus 52% for McCain. Not only that but he should increase black turnout by 25% above 2004 and they should vote 98% to Obama and only 2% for McCain. Why is Obama going to get more White votes than Kerry in a state where race is a very important factor among bue collar white voters? This poll is absolute crap.

PS: In the primaries Clinton won the white democrats vote by 70% to Obama 27%.

53 posted on 10/05/2008 10:03:13 AM PDT by jveritas (Use the nuclear option against Obama: Jeremiah Wright)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: nmh
Actually, the "Bradley Effect" seems to show up when you compare two-way polls to polls that include the third-party options -- example:
Florida 9/28-30, 770 LV, 3.5%
Obama 51, McCain 47
Obama 51, McCain 43, Nader 3, Barr 1, McKinney 1

Minnesota 9/28-30, 849 LV, 3.5%
Obama 54, McCain 43
Obama 53, McCain 41, Nader 2, Barr 1, McKinney 0

Missouri 9/28-30, 744 LV, 3.5%
Obama 49, McCain 48
Obama 47, McCain 46, Nader 2, Barr 2

Nevada 9/28-30, 684 LV, 4%
Obama 51, McCain 47
Obama 49, McCain 44, Nader 4, Barr 1, McKinney 0

Virginia 9/28-30, 684 LV, 4%
Obama 53, McCain 44
Obama 52, McCain 42, Nader 2, Barr 2, McKinney 0

Note that responses for both Nader and Barr come mostly out of McCain's share in the two-option poll. About the only rational explanation for someone to say "McCain" given two options and "Nader" given the additional option is that the respondent is a liberal but won't vote for the black guy.

The fact that this poll shows a total considerably below 100% indicates that the "Bradley Effect" is already accounted for -- people who would have voted for Obama but for the fact that he's black must have selected some other option (apparently "Undecided" -- the only indication I can find in the original story is a really blurry pic of the detailed results printout).

54 posted on 10/05/2008 10:03:39 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: MSF BU

you’re welcome...his website describes his firm as “a general practice law firm”...so it makes sense that the Dispatch describes him as a “real-estate investment manager” (eyes rolling).


55 posted on 10/05/2008 10:04:01 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: nmh
Many will say they will vote for this “Magic Negro” but when it comes to pushing the button ... well they won’t.

The reputed "Tom Bradley" effect? That was then, this is now. We're a generation removed from that election, and too much has changed in the electorate. I don't think we can count on it.

56 posted on 10/05/2008 10:04:17 AM PDT by chimera
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
LOL! Looks like the liberal base needs to be energized :)
57 posted on 10/05/2008 10:04:31 AM PDT by scratcher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

We can always count on you, catowner, ublausuasu#$%$% and a few others to make sure we all know the bad news of the polls.

Thank you soooo much for keeping us all informed.


58 posted on 10/05/2008 10:04:57 AM PDT by CSI007
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: impeachedrapist

you’re talking about going for the 3rd GOP victory in a row and the incumbent, who always had low approval ratings, botched up the economy only to follow up with an extremely unpopular bailout.
Yes, I would say winning in those conditions completely defies all the laws of politics.


59 posted on 10/05/2008 10:05:40 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: MSF BU
It’s not safe to assume that the inner city turnout for BHS will be enormouts? I’m just raising the question.

It was enormous for Kerry four years ago. There is only one candidate in US history who won more votes in a Presidential election than John F. Kerry.

And besides, that inner city turnout that everyone thinks will help Obama -- how well did that work for him in the OH and PA primaries earlier this year?

60 posted on 10/05/2008 10:06:19 AM PDT by kesg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-109 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson