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Kids less likely to graduate HS than parents (1 in 4 dropping out)
WNBC (N.Y.) ^ | 10/23/08

Posted on 10/24/2008 5:53:04 AM PDT by meandog

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To: meandog

But since half those dropouts have parents who never went to school in Mexico, its not that surprising.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 6:04:03 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: meandog
"Your child is less likely to graduate from high school than you were"

Stating the info in these terms is totally fallacious. My likelyhood of HS graduation was 100% and that of my kids the same. The likelyhood of my kids earning advanced college degrees is also 100%. That the media is addressing my and mine through the use of "your" is both completely incorrect and extremely annoying. No wonder the MSM has no cred.

22 posted on 10/24/2008 6:04:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (RINOs? PUMA))
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To: meandog
social interaction with "real world and situations"

The real world isn't like HS. Kids who are home schooled are actually out there in the real world, hence they have interaction with the real world. Kids sitting in rows of desks watching kids misbehave while the teacher struggles to maintain order -- those are the kids who aren't having interaction with "the real world".

23 posted on 10/24/2008 6:04:41 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Tax-chick

That’s exactly right. Today, half of the children under 5 are minorities. By 2023 half all children 18 and under will be minorities. Hispanics and blacks have the highest school drop out rates nearing 50%. They also have the higest out of wedlock birth rates with Hispanics at 50% and blacks 68%. Changing demographics are never mentioned when discussing our poor school performance.


24 posted on 10/24/2008 6:05:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: meandog

And, of course, the US spends most per student on primary and secondary education of any nation in the world.

Yet, somehow, inexplicably, more $ is needed.

The problems are obvious. Lack of competition (choice), lack of a competitive labor situation, increasing federal intrusion, and an increased focus on advancing left wing politics in the classroom.

Bad teachers are kept on while good teachers are not rewarded. Private schools require parents to pay for the schooling of their children on top of what they pay to the local school district regardless if their children attend or not.

Anyways, I cannot think of a better effort by the left to dumb down generations of citizens, in order to limit their future economic opportunities and make them more dependent on socialist programs.

The sad thing is that this nation shows no signs of reversing the negative trends in public education. We know what the problem is, but we pretend that something else is really the problem, and then we throw yet more money into the underperforming, disgusting, educational bureaucracy.


25 posted on 10/24/2008 6:08:16 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: meandog
Minus side No H.S. sports,

Depends where you are. In some states, homeschoolers can participate in public or private school sports. In others, there are sufficient homeschoolers to run their own sports programs.

proms,

Same as sports. The homeschool association holds a formal dance here, and the LDS Church has a high school prom open to all highschoolers who are willing to dress and behave decently. It's attended by both school students and homeschoolers.

clubs, social interaction with "real world and situations" and, (in some cases) access to some really good and dedicated teachers.

All available in the community, with homeschooling associations, and through private educational programs. My high school students took a logic course (son) and an economics course using Thomas Sowell as a text (daughter) from a private instructor in the spring. There are so many opportunities that we couldn't eat or sleep if we took advantage of them all.

26 posted on 10/24/2008 6:08:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: FreedomFerret
I just call that “Job Security”. (For my kids.)

I'm sure the parasites will send them a thank you note.

27 posted on 10/24/2008 6:09:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: meandog
Why shouldn't they kids drop out....Obomber is going to share our...err the wealth with them.

Good news they don't have to work or give a sh!t...just get off their collective arses every four years to vote in a new Socialist for President......and every two years to keep the current socialists in congress.

28 posted on 10/24/2008 6:10:02 AM PDT by thingumbob (McGenius-Palin beats O'bomber-Hide'n (Remember, dead terrorists don't make more terrorists!))
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To: meandog

Ah yes, the Obama/Democratic constituency.

Just imagine, our next president may be decided based upon what these geniuses think...assuming that they actually do think.


29 posted on 10/24/2008 6:10:40 AM PDT by VOR78
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To: Vanders9

To loosely quote Reagan, it’s not that kids today don’t know anything, it’s just that most of what they know just isn’t so.


30 posted on 10/24/2008 6:11:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: meandog
I don't believe this poll for a minute. It was taken by a group called Education Trust, which advocates on behalf of minority and poor children. At the end of their report they are calling for what else, “MORE MONEY” to be thrown at the problem.
31 posted on 10/24/2008 6:11:35 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: meandog; Salvation; metmom
My daughter went to college at 15. She's 19 now and will have earned her business degree by the time her peers are just getting through their first year.

They have proms, clubs etc. She was invited to the sorority but was too busy studying to make much of it. She was also on the college soccer team. Needless to say, I'm very proud of her. She was too brilliant for our local high school.

The unspoken agenda is to cull the brilliant students and the non-performing students from said schools, so they keep their accountability scores on an even keel from year to year.

Both groups generally abandon ship the minute they realize they are being targeted for personal destruction. She wore a pro-life sweatshirt to school and that started it.

32 posted on 10/24/2008 6:12:38 AM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work. This election will separate the sheep from the goats.)
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To: VOR78

We don’t have to wait 500 years for “Idiocracy.” It’s right here today.


33 posted on 10/24/2008 6:12:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Tax-chick
But look at what they miss click here ( /sarcasm )
34 posted on 10/24/2008 6:13:32 AM PDT by meandog (Hey Rush: Get it through your head...George W. Bush deserves the blame!)
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To: meandog

“Minus side”

No H.S. sports: No big loss but it’s not all together true. My homeschool nephew plays football against public schools as a part of a homeschool team.

proms: One of the dumbest thing ever inflicted on our kids and would be reason enough to keep my girls out of public school.

clubs: What clubs? Are there no valuable clubs outside of public schools our kids could join?

social interaction with “real world and situations”: Kids don’t need to interact in “real world situations” without interacting with their parents at the same time.

dedicated teachers: When a person decides to work for a Marxist propaganda mill they instantly lose access to my kids.


35 posted on 10/24/2008 6:15:03 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: meandog

Obama, our savior, my @$$! I have four girls and they will all graduate from college, without The Marxists help.


36 posted on 10/24/2008 6:15:10 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: meandog

Doggie I love you dearly, don’t forget your sarcasm tags! I learned that the hard way. /sarc


37 posted on 10/24/2008 6:15:20 AM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work. This election will separate the sheep from the goats.)
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To: kabar
Changing demographics are never mentioned when discussing our poor school performance.

No, and neither is the absolutely sh*tful standard of elementary education. The combination of a population with educational disadvanages (ability, poverty, language barriers, cultural barriers) and the refusal to teach reading and basic math effectively is a major disaster.

But the Education Establishment gets more and more money, so they're happy. Who cares if kids (or adults) can't read and add?

38 posted on 10/24/2008 6:16:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: meandog

My son didn’t go to HS, we just went straight to community college once he hit 10th grade. HS was boring when I went, both my husband and I said we wish we would have had the options available to students today. High school is not neceessary to get into college. You can test into any college class regardless of age, then once you have your AA, it’s a cinch to get into college w/out a traditional HS diploma. I wrote an affadavit that said my son graduated HS and submitted that to the community college when he had received enough credits for his AA (basically what would have been his senior year in HS.) He went on to graduate college and is enrolled in grad school...no real HS diploma, no problem.


39 posted on 10/24/2008 6:17:21 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: meandog
We have to have some outside evaluation of what the students know and have learned. Child Left Behind gives us some of that.
The school just pass them on even when they can't read or write because they want easy production.
I have seen HS graduates that could not tell time on a conventional clock or count change.
40 posted on 10/24/2008 6:17:40 AM PDT by Big Horn (I bac Mac)
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