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Obama is the Real Conservative (Mega Barf Alert)
Daily beast ^ | Professor Jeffrey Hart

Posted on 11/03/2008 10:50:05 AM PST by WilliamReading

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To: antceecee

There is a certain sort of academic conservative who embraces the Platonic ideal of the pholosopher-king as President. I have never understood it: the philosopher makes a much better legislator than an executive. Consider, for example, Daniel Moynihan or S.I Hayakawa. The Presidency demands a form of decisiveness that would be uncommon in an intellectual.


21 posted on 11/03/2008 11:06:00 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Oops, you are right about that. I wonder why he didn’t mention in his essay that he supported John Kerry for President? Maybe he is trying to pull a fast one. Kerry supported the Iraq War originally.

Plus, apparently Hart endorsed Obama way back in January.

It would be hard to call Jeffrey Hart a conservative . .he is way to the left of George Will.


22 posted on 11/03/2008 11:06:50 AM PST by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

Sounds like the thinking of this idiot (Bemused) on a local message board (he’s the most effete person I’ve ever seen). He thinks Obama was inadvertently created by those who voted for Bush:

http://users.boardnation.com/~waff/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=6318


23 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:01 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Prokopton

Yes of course, a US Constitution worldview is the one. But we are being asked to choose between McCain or Stalin, I’ll take McCain. Stalin can GTH.


24 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:15 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: WilliamReading

So let me this the “logic” of this mental defective straight:
He claims to be a conservative who is disappointed that George W Bush has not been conservative enough. Therefore, he will be voting for the most radical left wing liberal to ever seek the presidency even though a)Bush is not running, and b)Obama’s positions are the antithesis of everything conservatism stands for. Right......

If this guy is a “conservative” then I am the King of England.


25 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:54 AM PST by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: wagglebee

Calling Obama a conservative.. is similar to calling Adolf Hitler a “Community Organizer”


26 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:59 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (HITLER offered Hope and Change!!)
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To: WilliamReading

“He invaded Iraq on the basis of abstract theory”

Listening to Republicans praise abstractions like “democracy” and “freedom” makes my Burke ache, too. But anyone who can’t see that we invaded Iraq first and foremost because of 9/11 is an idiot, pure and simple. The Wilsonian rhetoric was superficial, in my opinion. You may just as well posit that Reagan clung too tightly to the abstraction of “Star Wars.”

By the way, it is perfectly fine for a conservative to excoriate Bush. But to vote for Obama when you could easily abstain or vote Libertarian or Constitutionalist is inexcusable.


27 posted on 11/03/2008 11:08:06 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: antceecee
It appears this person celebrates the portent of an Obama presidency as once again having a “thinking man” in the White House.

Bill Ayers is considered a "thinking man" because a left wing indoctrination center hired him because of his radical views.

Should a domestic terrorist like Ayers become our president as well?

The author of this article is obviously NOT a thinking man himself.

28 posted on 11/03/2008 11:08:27 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Not a big surprise: he backed Kerry in 2004.


29 posted on 11/03/2008 11:08:50 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: dollmaker

What was his reasoning? Having trouble getting enough Gatorgirl action by supporting McCain?

I have never been attracted to leftist females.


30 posted on 11/03/2008 11:09:34 AM PST by oblomov
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To: All

Obama’s temperament is very conservative. That’s just so obvious when he talks about changing the US and the world. Or when he admits he never has any doubts. Or when he says he and his followers can heal the planet.

If the Repubs had Congress, and the country was in better shape, it would almost be entertaining watching Obama crash and burn.

Unfortunately, we have a Rat Congress and the country can’t take four years of The One.


31 posted on 11/03/2008 11:11:32 AM PST by nyc1
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To: WilliamReading
I think the jury is still out on what the Iraq war did to and for us. To say that Barry got it is both premature and laughable. It's laughable because of that position is the knee-jerk reaction you expect from anyone on the left to the use of military force to protect US interests.

He was opposed to US Military action in the way that my dog is opposed to going to the veterinarian. She may on some level know that it's good for her but she cannot reason her way into entering the building.

Obama's policies have more in common with Hitler and Stalin than they do with Nixon and even less with Reagan.

Hart's been in New England too long - first he supported the French looking doofus Kerry and now this.

32 posted on 11/03/2008 11:11:35 AM PST by hometoroost (The Obama Administration will be Mussolini with late trains)
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To: WilliamReading
Oh please. Obama is the ‘real’ conservative in about the same way that Cheese Whiz is ‘real’ cheese.

It's been a long time, but when I read Burke in my wayward youth, I seem to remember him being no fan of change for change’s sake, and I don't recall him ever being a proponent of the sort of radical political and economic change that Obama is going to give us.

It seems disingenuous, at best, for Mr. Hart to hand pick three issues- the war, social security privatization and abortion, and say that somehow Obama’s views are more inline with Burke, ergo, in all cases Obama is the conservative.

And of those issues, social security privatization? Seriously? I don't think social security was what Burke had in mind when he referred to the social fabric.

33 posted on 11/03/2008 11:11:54 AM PST by Slainte
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To: WilliamReading

Another rat leaving the ship when it’s on fire. Good. One more name to the list of phonies that we have. One day, he’ll want to come back, and we should remember his lavish endorsement of both John Kerry in 2004, and of The One this year.


34 posted on 11/03/2008 11:12:54 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: WilliamReading

In the final debate obama said that the US should militarily intervene anywhere that genocide and ethnic cleansing is occuring. Apparently anywhere except Iraq or anywhere else that the US has a national interest.
I have yet to hear from any of the talking heads who say that the US shouldn’t have invaded Iraq, what exactly we should have done about Saddam. We know the sanctions were gutted, he was training thousands of terrorists for strikes against the west and he was most likely behind the 93 WTC bombing.


35 posted on 11/03/2008 11:14:13 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: oblomov
The Presidency demands a form of decisiveness that would be uncommon in an intellectual.

It requires foresight and forethought. Those who depend on books already written are totally unaware of potential consequences, because they're not written down on paper yet!

36 posted on 11/03/2008 11:14:14 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: gwilhelm56

I’m sure Obama thinks Muhammed was also a “community organizer.”


37 posted on 11/03/2008 11:14:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: HerrBlucher
But we are being asked to choose between McCain or Stalin, I’ll take McCain. Stalin can GTH.

Yes, but how did we get into a position that this is what are choice is? No matter who wins the election, much rebuilding needs to be done.

38 posted on 11/03/2008 11:16:02 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: dollmaker

I see he is Executive Director of the Florida College Republicans. Hopefully he has been kicked out by now.


39 posted on 11/03/2008 11:16:23 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: Slainte

“seem to remember him being no fan of change for change’s sake”

My favorite Burkeian image is that of a cow (common man) going about his life unbothered by the flies (intellectuals) buzzing around his head.


40 posted on 11/03/2008 11:20:55 AM PST by Tublecane
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