Tech CEO pleads guilty in bison deaths

Rocky Mountain News ^ | November 3, 2008 | Jean Torkelson

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***...and destroy his fences. ***

Oh, really? Most places have fence laws stating that the fence is to be bought and put up on the property line by BOTH owners. If one person puts up a fence he can go to court to force the other property owner to pay for half.

Many people just put up a fence one foot inside their own property and the law says the other property owner can not use that fence but must put up his own fence. Spite fences!

[from occupied ga]

Oh, really? Most places have fence laws stating that the fence is to be bought and put up on the property line by BOTH owners. If one person puts up a fence he can go to court to force the other property owner to pay for half.

And this is relevant to anything I've posted how? I'd really like to know.

[MileHi]

- just protecting your property gets you in trouble

Hmmm! I wonder why MOST of those killed were on other peoples and US gov land then?

[CholeraJoe]

His attorney was Pamela Mackey, who successfully defended Kobe Bryant. Win some, lose some, always get paid handsomely.

[ApplegateRanch]

If the bison had been breaking down his fences and trampling his property, then all he needed was a camera and a few pics of the animals and the and a quick damage trip to the sheriff’s office.

1. It was 'open range', so it was HIS duty to fence them OUT; not the rancher's to fence them IN.

2. In the early stories, it also stated that the fences were buried in heavy snow.

3. The sheriff had already informed him of his rights and duties in response to his earlier complaints.

[Emperor Palpatine]

Since when do these outsiders get off violating the Open Range that’s been around for over a century just for their private lil’ petting zoos?

This criminal should be put under a dozen jails.

[george76]

These Atzlan Native Community shooters were not hunters.

A real hunter would not let this happen.

Jeff Hawn never disproved that “the herd of elk that stays in that area or even Hawn’s horses rubbing on his solar panels and TV dishes “ were the cause.

Jeff Hawn pled quilty.

These are Vaughn Downare’s livestock.

” Part of the deal has him agreeing to pay $84,000 in restitution to the owners of the bison, the Downare family...”

[george76]

Pamela Mackey is tough.

These local DA's are afraid of her plus the small counties only have small legal budgets.

[Blood of Tyrants]

In any case, you don’t destroy another man’s property.

[Uri’el-2012]

What sez Jeffrey Scott Hawn, CEO of Seattle-based software
firm Attachmate is supporting bambi for prez.

He acts like a limousine liberal.

[editor-surveyor]

"The property Mr. Hawn owns isn’t used as a ranch"

Exactly! - A hobby patch for rich, ignorant jerks.

[editor-surveyor]

"apparently letting your dangerous animals loose on your neighbor's property is OK"

In open range territory.

Its unlikely that the bison did the damage; the idiot probably did it himself.

[Ditto]

Good luck fencing bison out of ANYWHERE they really want to go.

There is a good sized bison farm right directly along side of I-79 in Edenboro, PA and I have never heard of them getting through that fence.

[george76]

” I’m a native of Park County and get so sick and tired of poeple moving up there and then wanting it to be like the big city.

They cut up the country let their dogs run loose and this B!tch at you when you try to tell them that their breaking the law !!

If all those suburbia putz’s moved the h*ll out of there the county would be a better place to live!”

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[from occupied ga]

I wonder why MOST of those killed were on other peoples and US gov land then?

Let me enlighten you then with a very obvious answer. The "hunters" he hired to get the ones on his property didn't bother staying on his property. Gotta do better than that.

[from occupied ga]

I wonder why MOST of those killed were on other peoples and US gov land then?

Let me enlighten you then with a very obvious answer. The "hunters" he hired to get the ones on his property didn't bother staying on his property. Gotta do better than that.

[from occupied ga]

In any case, you don’t destroy another man’s property.

I love unintentional irony (apparently it's OK if you let your ANIMALS destroy another man's property.

[george76]

” I own livestock. And of course, I maintain my fencing in order to protect my own livestock. But Colorado law actually states that if you want someone else’s livestock to stay OFF your property, it’s YOUR responsibility to keep them out. I didn’t believe it when I read it, but it’s the truth.

If he didn’t want Bison on his land, he should have built better fencing (or bought different property) The fencing requirements to keep bison in (or out) are pretty tough - those animals can bust through a lot of serious fencing that would keep the average horse/cattle ranch contained.

He was in the wrong and should have maintained his own fencing. He certainly had no right to KILL them all. A good neighbor would call, and help round ‘em up and get them home. I’d be out of my mind if someone HIRED gunmen to kill all my sheep if they had managed to get out of my pasture. It’s one thing to get replacement value - but that doesn’t cover feed cost for the life of the animals you lost, or the genetics you were maintaining in your herd. That’s pretty rough to start over with a new set of genes, and animals who don’t know your land.”

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[from occupied ga]

Edenboro, PA and I have never heard of them getting through that fence

Next time you're there take a good look at the fence and guesstimate how much a Bison proof fence costs

[from occupied ga]

Hey there Obama supporters. Nice to see that y'all won't mind when the Obomination wins, since you are stridently supporting his share the wealth of the wealthy in this thread. Y'all seem to think that the bison guy has every right to send his Bison to roam loose because of open range laws. He may have had the legality of it, but the law doesn't make it right only legal.

• first, the open range laws were writtten in the 1800's when cattle were what the applied to. At that time every rancher in his right mind considered Bison to be dangerous nusances to be killed on sight (and they did)
• Second, no one has answered my point about someone raising wolves or mauntain lions and letting them run free, and oh BTW if you don't want them on your property it's YOUR responsibility to keep them out. Both wolves and mountin lions are considered less dangerous than Bison.

So nice to see socialism alive and well here on FR Hope you enjoy the coming sharing of your wealth .