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Posted on 11/03/2008 12:09:53 PM PST by george76
I wonder if the animals are bison or a beef cattle-bison cross. The ‘beefalo’ are somewhat less rambunctious from what I hear. I still wouldn’t bet on the fence.
LOL! Give it up or show us where open range laws include cougars and wolves. Evidently the open range law in CO includes bison or the turkey wouldn’t have been charged.
“Aztlan Native Community”
Would you enlighten us as to the identity of these people?
You got that right!
Worse, IIRC, most if not all the carcasses were left to rot.
I was just pointing out that he already knew the legal situation; and he also insisted on running just a 2 or 3 wire fence that wouldn’t stop a cow, let alone a buffalo.
His reasoning for that was that if he was able to fence out the buffalo successfully, then he would also be effectively fencing out the local elk herd that he liked to look at.
And in any case, the fences were buried, which is a rather extenuating circumstance no matter whose duty it is to fence in or out.
About 2 months ago, there was a blurb in the local paper about our sheriff going out to a dispute. Some guy was holding a man & wife at gun point, because they had come to his property to retrieve some strayed cattle.
His excuse was that the cows had drank some of his pond water, and he wanted compensateed “RIGHT NOW, or you can’t leave!”
Didn’t matter they were neighbors, and that he knew who they were & how to find them, nor that the longer he held the owners, the more ‘water theft’ the cows would commit.
They had gone to his house, not just sneaked in to round them up by stealth.
Sheriff wasn’t to happy with our relatively new city transplant. He normally is able to get in a friendly introductory visit with newcomers to make sure they know the fence & range laws; and posting/trespass laws, since we do have some quirks that aren’t common.
“Aztlan Native Community”
Would you enlighten us as to the identity of these people?
XeniaSt knows more. Perhaps he can help, too.
According to the affidavit for an arrest warrant, Hawn allowed individuals to hunt bison on the Hawn property that belonged to rancher Monte Downare.
In a Feb. 25 letter addressed to Antonino Salcedo, Hawn gave permission to Salcedo and his “Atzlan Native Community” colleagues, based in Gardner, Colo., to “remove the buffalo from my ranch.”
“You may hunt them and remove them or you may remove them live and take them to the location of your choice,” the letter stated.
The letter included directions to Hawn’s property.
http://www.theflume.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=5198
Show me where they include bison. And BTW the forest service releases wolves on peoples' property (usually near lambing pens), but none of the ranchers who have the honor bestowed on "sshovel and shut up" mentioned on FR?
Occupied, you know that you are way off base here.
Range lands and wolves, and lions are not related. Raising bovines and ruminants is. This is what the west is about; its traditional America. We really hat it when big city libs like yourself pretend to know what American freedom and liberty is about. If you want to buy a ranch, do it, but don’t try to bring your inner city concepts of ‘neighbors’ and right and wrong; they won’t fit. OK?
We have been polite answering your questions.
We are not Obama supporters. You can check for yourself.
Throwing out personal insults shows that you losing on the facts and on the law.
Your “ point about someone raising wolves or mauntain lions and letting them run free...” would be treated differently under Colorado law.
If you or ( Jeff Hawn ) do not want to live under Colorado laws, then stay away.
You still ignore that facts of the case :
the bulk of the bison — 14 of them — were killed on land owned by Catherine Pimm.
Eight were killed on Bureau of Land Management property,
four on U.S. Forest Service property,
three on property of Robert Lemm
three on Hawn’s ranch.
Jeffrey Scott Hawn pleaded guilty to one count each of criminal mischief and animal cruelty .
I look down on condescension generally. Those "hunters" did just what they were told. I know some of this Downare family. You assume to much. The guilty plea to a felony supports my assertion.
Wow. I had you pegged as a steady, long time freeper. I see I was right about you being a long time poster...
Would you enlighten us as to the identity of these people?
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(2) "Livestock" includes horses, cattle, mules, asses, goats, sheep, swine, buffalo, and cattalo, but does not include "alternative livestock" as defined in section 35-41.5-102 (1).
Colorado Revised Statutes Pertaining to Fencing and Livestock
Mountain lions and wolves are not considered livestock. Current Colorado law is "fence out". If Hawn were not a city slicker "carpetbagger" from Texas, In 19th century Park county, Hawn would have been hung ! Buffalo are considered livestock in Colorado.
he would have had his attorney check the law books
before killing someone else's livestock.
What a psycho
***And this is relevant to anything I’ve posted how? I’d really like to know. ****
Well, what is the law concerning fences there? We have a fair size herd of Bison near here and they haven’t gotten out in years and in the neighboring counties in Oklahoma there is a large herd east of Afton, Ok. Again, no problems.
Was one man tying to keep the bison IN or OUT! Was the fence on PROPERTY LINE or not?
Can I shoot my neighbor’s wild mustangs if they cross onto my land? How about his Egyptian horned cattle ( Watusi)? How about his Red deer and Llamas?
***in Oklahoma there is a large herd east of Afton, Ok***
ERROR! That should be ADAIR, Oklahoma.
A good pipe fence will hold buffalo. I've also seen wood used.
You sir, are full of male bovine excrement.
Read some history and understand the tradition of the American West before you shoot your mouth off and reveal what little you know.
thanks
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