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Lawsuit over bear attack continues
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 31, 2009

Posted on 01/31/2009 4:25:13 PM PST by george76

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To: montomike
I do agree with most of your post, but if you have ever flown across this country, there is oodles of open country. If you kill the dangerous animals that come near human habitat, the ones that don't, will live and have offspring that also stay away from man. The animals near humans if left alone and not destroyed will bring their offspring into human habitat
21 posted on 01/31/2009 4:58:04 PM PST by goat granny
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To: george76
"The bear was eventually found and killed as well, and was confirmed to be the same animal that had entered the campsite the night before and rummaged through food coolers."

Quite a bit of negligence there as well. You don't go camping in a bear infested forest and leave food all around your campsite, begging bears to come bother you.

All food should be wrapped in a few layers of plastic garbage bag, then tied up high off the ground AWAY from your campsite. You shouldn't cook, have or eat any food in your tent at any time. Even if you remove the food the smells stay in the tent and canvass, and you become bear bait.

Stupid campers are victims of themselves in most cases. You'd think they'd at least stop at the park office and read the camping guides. Bear facts are available in all of them.

22 posted on 01/31/2009 5:00:20 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Brilliant
Actually, I was being sarcastic

OK...whew! You might want to remember to use the /s at the end of your post which is (loosely) "close sarcasm". Otherwise, all the little FReeper heart rates go up and they post insane stuff. :-)

23 posted on 01/31/2009 5:11:51 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Da Coyote

Stake him out and cover him with honey.


24 posted on 01/31/2009 5:15:12 PM PST by 353FMG (Liberalism is the rot in Western society.)
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To: montomike
"The rangers should have known the bear was there. They aren’t that hard to track. You don’t have to see the bear. They make pretty good tracks. I see tracks and I start taking precautions."

Obviously you know nothing about bears. There are very stealthy animals, and have 1000x times the sense of smell as you do, plus their hearing is excellent. If all it takes for you to take precautions is to see bear tracks, then you should never go into the woods. Bears leave tracks everywhere. It doesn't mean they are in them. It's when you hear them you should be taking precautions, real quick. And if you start following bear tracks, you could find yourself in a very difficult position. Cubs don't walk right along side their mother, often they are barely within her vision. Following a set of bear tracks can lead you right to the bear making them, and often between her and her cubs. Then you are in big trouble.

If that happens, start backing away, don't run, don't turn around, back up slowly. If she comes at you swatting at the ground, hold your ground, keep backing up slowly. She'll be clicking her jaws as she's smacking up dirt and brush. If you manage to back up enough and are no longer between her and her cubs, she'll stop, but if she charges the only thing you can do is curl up in an ball and play dead. if your lucky she'll just bat you around a couple times.

If it's a grizzly, Say your prayers.

25 posted on 01/31/2009 5:18:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: george76
Boy, I don't know what to say about this one...

On one hand, we are responsible for what we choose to do. On the other hand, a family camping trip shouldn't be a death sentence...

Just curious, how come the Forestry department can send folks looking all over for the troublesome black bear but can't bother to find the time to post warning signs about these black bears?

26 posted on 01/31/2009 5:19:59 PM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: from occupied ga
The second chance was a little more eerie.

“The family passed a Division of Wildlife Resources truck, [that] apparently was the one looking for the being driven by the bear. They waved at them,”

27 posted on 01/31/2009 5:20:52 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: goat granny
"The animals near humans if left alone and not destroyed will bring their offspring into human habitat"

Yep. Once they get into that habit, the only thing the natural resources guys can try to do is tranq it and move it into another area far away from anything. And her young if thats the case, because they've already been taught as well.

28 posted on 01/31/2009 5:23:51 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: george76
Hard cases make bad law.

On the one hand, I would like to see this become and impetus to sharply reduce the population of bears, deer (which can be dangerous, too) and other wildlife which are increasing in numbers. They're like sacred cows in India!!

Tell the sentimentalists to shut up, and let the hunters cull!

On the other hand, I can't see allowing hikers to sue for dangers they are agreeing to by using the park.

29 posted on 01/31/2009 5:26:32 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: george76
We have a bear problem in MA. A growing problem in fact. So they pass laws you cannot shoot them, and send flyers and media advertising to show people how to live with bears. A lady a few towns away found one in her kitchen. It had torn the screen door off the house and was rummaging through the cupboards and refrigerator, and making one heck of a mess. She locked herself upstairs and called animal control. Poor lady could have been mauled if she had been in the kitchen.
30 posted on 01/31/2009 5:29:01 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I don’t camp cause of Bears, snakes...my idea of camping is a beachfront luxury hotel...but I don’t see how you can camp “in the wild” and then blame the govt if a bear attacks.

Blame the gub'mint if a bear attacks? You can if you're a liberal! BTW, my wife's idea of roughing it is staying at a hotel that doesn't have room service . . . .

31 posted on 01/31/2009 5:30:02 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Vaquero

Of course we should be allowed to carry in National Parks. Wild things EAT humans. And Bad Guys hang out there sometimes, too. Guns are Good.


32 posted on 01/31/2009 5:33:46 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Nathan Zachary

The family claims that there were two chances for the state to warn them of the bear danger. The first was when they went through the gate to get to the campground. The second chance was a little more eerie.

“The family passed a Division of Wildlife Resources truck, that apparently was the one looking for the bear. They waved at them,”


33 posted on 01/31/2009 5:37:57 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
"The family claims that there were two chances for the state to warn them of the bear danger."

That means there were also two chances for this family to stop and ask if there were any bear problems.

34 posted on 01/31/2009 5:40:11 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: John123

Successful lawsuits against the government over similar circumstances aren’t unheard of.

In 1996, a bear mauled an Arizona teenager after dragging her out of a tent. The bear had previously been removed from the area but returned on its own. The state settled for $2.5 million with the now-paralyzed teen and her family.


35 posted on 01/31/2009 5:40:16 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gidget7

Well, evidently they forgot to give flyers to the bears telling THEM how to just get along.

Reminds me of Little Zero’s plan to get along with the Taliban. I wonder if those guys will respond to his nicey-nice tack?

A mountain lion was killed here in Los Angeles about a month ago. Came down into a neighborhood. It had been spotted weeks before in another community in the foothills, but Fish and Game told OUR friends (when the neighbors had appeared en masse at the office) that the mt lions were a protected species, and to carry STICKS to protect themselves when walking their dogs. In town.


36 posted on 01/31/2009 5:41:07 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: george76
The government knew that they had a bear problem for a long time and they were negligent.
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I am familiar with the area.

My husband and I have camped in the **same** campground. It is located less than 5 miles ( as the crow flies) from a **major** metropolitan area on the west. On the east (about 10 miles) is located the towns of Heber, Midway, Charlestown, and Daniels. A hearty person could easily hike to the Sundance resort from the campsite.

This wooded area is crawling with hikers, backpackers, and people enjoying picnics.

The people who introduced **bears** into this populated area are complete IDIOTS!!!

Rational people would remove the bears from this area **before** people are attacked in their backyards or getting of their cars to go into their own home.

37 posted on 01/31/2009 5:42:51 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: george76

There’s bears in the woods? Who knew!!!

I bet they even crap there.

I feel sorry for this family and their loss, but if you go camping in the wilderness you run the risk of meeting up with wild critters. That’s why they call it the wilderness.

The judge should have thrown out this ridiculous lawsuit and fined the family for criminal stupidity.


38 posted on 01/31/2009 5:43:24 PM PST by Ronin
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To: george76

There’s bears in the woods? Who knew!!!

I bet they even crap there.

I feel sorry for this family and their loss, but if you go camping in the wilderness you run the risk of meeting up with wild critters. That’s why they call it the wilderness.

The judge should have thrown out this ridiculous lawsuit and fined the family for criminal stupidity.


39 posted on 01/31/2009 5:43:25 PM PST by Ronin
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To: bboop
A mountain lion was killed here in Los Angeles about a month ago.
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So?...Who killed the mountain lion? A **responsible** person with a concealed carry permit?

40 posted on 01/31/2009 5:44:36 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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