Posted on 02/02/2009 9:41:42 AM PST by stillafreemind
There will be put in every car by 2012 I think, whether you want it or not. Your only option is whether you want to activate the service. The law enforcement tools have already been developed as well. Don't think the engineers and marketing people at GM are stupid. They'll try make a buck where there is a buck to be made. And if they can make a buck on more than just the person who buys a car, well why not? they figure. Just like those black boxes they developed in the 70's they are in every car, and YOU pay for it, but they are for law end insurance company's benefit. Accident scene investigators access them when they need to as ell. You can look in your car and see it. It's either under the drivers seat or on the firewall under the dash, or by the parking brake pedal on the side by your feet under the fuse panel. It's just a little flat retangle metal box with a mess of wires coming out of it.
I have a prediction: It will take high school kids less than a month to beat this system.
exactly.
Actually, you are not. That same fuel efficient car weighs half what that SUV weighs. Damage to the highway is reduced significantly. The vehicle size is smaller and you can fit more in the same space as the equivalent number of SUVs.
Remember one thing.........government doesn’t like people living in rural areas. They have less control over them because they are very independent. They want everyone living in the big cities. Around the country, counties are restricting the building in rural areas, more and more. Our government is also buying up land so you can’t build on it. Last I heard, years ago, the Feds owned 80% of the land in Oregon. How much do they own in your state?
Any measure like this that is implemented in any state will be an utter failure. We can't even keep illegal aliens from driving on our highways with no license, no registration, no insurance, etc. How the hell is any state going to enforce this -- and ensure its workability -- to the extent necessary to raise the revenue they expect to get from it?
What happens if I physically remove it, would I go to jail or get fined?
You know those anti theft scanners you see at department stores? They can also read the numbers on your bank or credit cards you have in your wallet. Law enforcement also has access to those security systems, and can track your movements to a certain extent already if they really wanted to, and probably do in some places to test systems out.
Financially, the biggest impact a motorist has on the roadway system is the aggregate "lost time" all of the motorists experience under congested conditions.
Beats me. Probably not, unless it becomes a widespread problem. Then they'd have to draft up a law making it illegal to remove those devices. They wouldn't worry about the od person here or there though. Besides, they aren't so easy to remove without screwing up the electrical system of the car.
Yes, you can pull the fuse for onstar.
Freakin’ Government, always trying to squeeze more out of us.””
When will people wake up and see where GREED is most prevalent?? Government Greed makes corporate greed a minor bump in the road.
I don’t know how much that the government owns in WA, more and more every day. I read, this week-end that only twenty percent of Arizona is privately owned, though.
And that's exactly my whole point. When government says you HAVE to maintain this at the point of a gun then it becomes a problem.
Thank you I was unaware of that since I don't have any onstar system.
Is Oregon going to purchase the GPS for all the people who can't afford it?
People in Oregon need to vote in folks who will SLASH the budget for things they don't need like tax payer funded pensions, etc.
The black boxes record speed, whether the brakes were on at time of impact, throttle position, turn signals, engine rpm, total run time from the time you started the car. They are obviously wired into the circuits, so simply cutting the wires and removing it will also break the curcuit for your brake lights, headlights, and maybe other stuff like your electronic TPS sensors.
No doubt they will also wire those onstar systems in such a way to prevent theft of the vehicle by disabling the system, since it's already wired into the anti theft system that is put into ever gm car since 98, wether it's a functional option when you buy it or not. it's still there.
Oregon will also have to pass laws against any other possible methods of refueling vehicles. No hand-carriable fuel containers.
Someone can pull a boat in to put fuel in the boat motor, and sitting in the boat can be several other containers to fill for use in the car.
Something similar can be done by pulling in a motor home or any large vehicle.
I just need about 50 gallons for my riding lawn mower, you see.
So, Oregon will have to set up extra stations where you can by limited quantities of fuel for boat motors, lawn tractors, generators, etc. You will not be able to put the nozel in your car. At the auto refueling stations, you won’t be able to buy fuel for anything else.
Then Oregon will have to ask California, Washington, Idaho, and Nevada to refuse to sell fuel to cars with Oregon plates within a certain distance from the Oregon border, so that buying fuel out of state (for those who live close to the state line) will be too inconvenient and costly.
And then will there be special exempt stations for cars from out of state, or exempt pumps at each station only for out of state plates?
What about people, for example, who live in California, have California plates, but work in Oregon?
This is more than taxation. This will be used to limit people’s freedom of movement.
I think the only “safe’ way to disable all that crap they put in cars now is to put an aftermarket electronic ignition system in the car, by-passing the entire computer system. But those are very expensive, a cheap one is over $1,400, and they don’t make them for all models.
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