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Ohio couple: Pa. hospital harvested son's organs
Times Leader ^ | Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:17 pm | DAN NEPHIN

Posted on 03/04/2009 4:30:31 PM PST by BykrBayb

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To: hunter112; BykrBayb
I’ve known a few snowboarders in my time, and they would not want to spend life as some sort of vegetable.

So, the opinion of a few snowboarders you know should take precedent over the patient's parents?

41 posted on 03/04/2009 5:35:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: hunter112
"He was brain dead, what part of that can you not accept?"

From the story: "Gregory was alive before defendants started surgery and suffocated him in order to harvest his organs" including his heart, liver and kidneys, according to the suit."

Nurse X testified in an affidavit that, she told the doc the patient was still alive and protesting the insertion of the tube. The doc responded with a string of expletives and ordered nurse X out of the room. Once out of the room nurse X witnessed nurse Y run out of the room and subsequently return with a pillow. Feathers were later found by the coroner in the 18y/o's lungs, which matched those from a damaged pillow found in the hospital dumpster. :)

42 posted on 03/04/2009 5:36:50 PM PST by spunkets
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To: lonestar

Who are you describing? Your friend’s son, or the victim in this case, Gregory Jacobs? Because I didn’t see anything about an EKG, .1% activity, a 48 hour wait, or signs of organic deterioration.


43 posted on 03/04/2009 5:37:16 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
I could use some new ones

I'll sell you a kidney.

Not one of mine, though.

44 posted on 03/04/2009 5:37:54 PM PST by SIDENET (I am just a monkey man, I'm glad you are a monkey woman, too.)
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To: hunter112; freekitty; BykrBayb
I know that for some of you, a Terri Schiavo-like existence is preferable to giving life to people who can use your young heart, liver, and et cetera

Terri Schiavo wasn't on life support.

Do you have a list of disabilities that you think should result in the loss of personhood and have them reclassified as "spare parts"? What about a person who is nearsighted and has asthma, do they get to live? How about someone in a wheelchair?

45 posted on 03/04/2009 5:39:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SIDENET

I don’t need any kidneys, thanks. I’d sell you one of mine, but like I said, you don’t want it.


46 posted on 03/04/2009 5:39:37 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

I missed those comments.

Organ transplantation is covered my many rules and laws and intensely studied by ethecists. There are many checks and ballances.


47 posted on 03/04/2009 5:43:16 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc; BykrBayb
Organ transplantation is covered my many rules and laws and intensely studied by ethecists. There are many checks and ballances.

But there is ongoing debate:

"Brain Death" is Life, Not Death: Neurologists and Bioethicists Unanimous at Conference

"Brain Death" Test Causes Brain Necrosis and Kills Patients: Neurologist to Rome Conference


48 posted on 03/04/2009 5:57:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb

They do not remove the breathing tube until the organs are out.


49 posted on 03/04/2009 6:00:27 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: wagglebee; hunter112; freekitty

This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

50 posted on 03/04/2009 6:02:58 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: ladyjane

Do you mean they’re not supposed to. Or are you claiming to have inside information that that’s the procedure that was followed in this instance?


51 posted on 03/04/2009 6:05:44 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: Petronski

quite unfunny


52 posted on 03/04/2009 6:05:54 PM PST by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: BykrBayb
If the parents are right and they did not give consent then the facility is negligent and rightfully subject to any lawsuit that may arise.

With that being said, a number of years ago my half-brother was involved in an auto accident while on business in California. For all intents and purposes, he was brain dead and lay in a coma for a little over a week. My step-father had to make the heartbreaking decision to remove all life support and give the ok to harvest Scott's organs in order to help save someone else.......Virtually all his organs were able to be transferred to someone in need.

Scott would never have recovered and thankfully his dad realized this. I pray that those who received Scott's gifts have recovered and that they were informed about what a wonderful person their donor was........

I really, really miss you Scott.........

53 posted on 03/04/2009 6:08:44 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun on an Indy car....)
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To: BykrBayb

It’s not inside information.

You don’t harvest organs from dead people. You have to keep the patient ‘breathing’ until you harvest.


54 posted on 03/04/2009 6:09:31 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Does that mean you don’t know whether they followed proper procedure this time, or does it mean you do know for a fact that they followed proper procedure this time?


55 posted on 03/04/2009 6:11:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: Hot Tabasco

My condolences on the lost of your friend.


56 posted on 03/04/2009 6:13:07 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: ladyjane

What really bothered me...my Dad died 5 years ago at age one month short of 85.

Hello...who wants life saving organs from an 85 yr old.

My Dad, with all his class, would not die with any of us there. I got to the hospital ten minutes after he died. Good, Cleveland hospital.

After not one, two or seven requests for his organs....it was sad... I feel kinda bad for the intern that came asking for his eyes. I told him that if he could not leave me in peace with my Father, I would gladly claw out his eyes and donate them in his name.

He turned whiter than the whitest sheet you can ever see,

Bad experience.


57 posted on 03/04/2009 6:14:46 PM PST by Shyla
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To: hunter112

Sounds like Mom and Dad are having a LOT of trouble letting go. I’ve known a few snowboarders in my time, and they would not want to spend life as some sort of vegetable.

theissue here isconsent


58 posted on 03/04/2009 6:15:35 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: woollyone; Petronski

I thought so too, and jumped all over him for it. I overreacted, and now I’m truly sorry I did that.


59 posted on 03/04/2009 6:36:26 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

I think you answered your question-—my friend’s son. They kept him on machines for the 48 hours but was pronounced DOA.


60 posted on 03/04/2009 6:44:09 PM PST by lonestar (Obama has turned a crisis into a catastrophe.)
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