Posted on 03/04/2009 4:30:31 PM PST by BykrBayb
I won’t ever sign the donor part of my driver’s license. How do I know if I can trust the doctors? I did tell my husband, though, that he could use his own discretion if anything ever happened, because I do trust him, of course. I also told him to get another opinion, like talk with a priest.
Some people seem to enjoy believing the worst.
wish you the best BB
That has nothing to do with what I believe happened. I was replying to the allegation that the parents are wrong to object to their son being murdered and they’re wrong to object to his organs being stolen. The allegation was that the parents should go along with that because their son was severely disabled. It isn’t about whether or not I believe that’s what happened. I was stating the fact that I disagree with the allegation that people should be murdered and have their organs stolen based on someone else’s failure to recognize their personhood. And I stand by that. Murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Murdering someone and stealing their body parts is wrong. And I’m sick of reading about how wonderful it is to murder certain people who have been deemed undesirables by the ghouls.
Not enough info in this story. There was a similar situation in my area of PA, whereby a 21 year old fell out of a moving car on an Interstate highway, was declared brain dead, and being that he had signed an organ donor card, they harvested his organs against the parents’ wishes (legally, they had no recourse, as he was an adult).
This post doesn’t say whether he was a designated organ donor, doesn’t give specifics of the situation, etc. Contrary to popular belief, there is an exhaustive process to this, and it is not just done on the spot.
If he DID in fact not meet the criteria for brain death as the suit alleges, then that is reprehensible. However, if brain death protocol was met, and he was a designated donor, the hospital and organ procurement agency had every right to harvest the organs so other lives could be saved.
So you are saying that organ donor recipients participate in a corrupt system?
Of course it's wrong! I don't believe it happens.
He was not brain dead. He was murdered.
My post wasn’t about what you think either. IIRC, you hadn’t even posted your opinion yet. If you had, it still had nothing to do with my post.
I was replying to a post, within the context of that post. Please stop applying it to one thing after another that has nothing to do with the post you’re bitching about. If you have a problem with something I actually said, say so. But quit bitching me out about things I never said. It annoys me, and it make you look bad.
I didn’t hide any of the text. I said what I said, and it’s clearly visible to anyone who opens their eyes.
Organ recipients have no say in the procurement process. Sometimes there is corruption, and the recipients have no way of preventing that.
The only way to have a reasonable expectation of avoiding corruption is to decline to participate. When and if the organ procurement industry cleans up its act, that will change.
I’m curious to see what I’ll be falsely accused of saying next. I find it interesting that nobody’s able to refute what I actually say. It’s easier to make up things and pretend I’ve said them, then argue against those false statements.
I hate to tell you this...but I wasn’t thinking of anything YOU, personally, might or might not be thinking! Get a life!
than you for the link.
however, my opinion is unchanged.
Have a good evening.
Then why did you say you were? Get a clue.
I have some personal familiarity with this case. The father was taken aside and signed the consent papers. The mother believes they were deliberately separated because the officials felt he would be easier to pursuade.
And the parents are having a hell of a time letting go.
You’re welcome for the link.
I believe you read it, but I know you did not understand it.
Be well.
This particular procedure for harvesting organs (that I cannot remember the name of) is one that other doctors are questioning. I think it can be useful to examine these procedures in the light of day. A court and the publicity that comes from a trial may be the surest way to get the public's attention.
IIRC, the young man's medical records were incomplete and there was conflicting information about time of death and issues like that which caused the parents to become suspicious.
Perhaps they are overreacting, maybe some things are overstated. We won't know that until the trial.
If that’s the case, that’s unethical.
However, there is a big difference between that and the charges that he was deliberately suffocated to harvest the organs.
I find it very hard to believe that a hospital would NOT have done everything to the letter in determining brain death, given all of the shark lawyers just waiting for a chance to sue. In addition, there is no widespread conspiracy by the healthcare profession to harvest organs in those who may have a chance for survival.
Thanks for providing that info.
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