Posted on 04/09/2009 1:07:13 PM PDT by Dallas59
The better treatement angle. I am all for.
As an additional note or two..., I don’t know how familiar you are with the deaf community in general, but I’m quite familiar with it. It’s a community that is like being in a different culture with different ways of thinking about things. How hearing people think and react and how they perceive things is not the way the deaf community does in general. It’s (really) like being in a different world, a different culture.
Any hearing person is (for one thing) “suspect”... it just comes with the territory. I’m not deaf, but I know it thoroughly. In my case (to “them”), I’m just like a deaf person.
Their language is different. Sure, they can write English, but the “thinking” in language terms is different as a result of ASL (or Amslan, or American Sign Language). Some may have problems with English and “getting” the syntax, in the same way they very readily “get” the syntax and language for ASL.
So, anyway..., that’s just a few more things...
There are some common sense precautions that should be expected of anyone who is in an unusual circumstance in which they truly need to convey their situation in a hurry to emergency personnel.
People with a situation like deafness or hearing aid, narcolepsy, insulin shock, strong possibility for stroke or heart attack, a pacemaker, medical electronic monitoring device, neuromuscular problems, taking medicines that can slur speech or dilate pupils, or a hundred other things, should be able to quickly whip out and present this information.
Simplicity. Just get some post-it note sized pieces of paper and write the same thing on a dozen or more. Keep one in every pocket, a few on the dashboard, one in the sun shade, a few in the wallet, etc.
It is not just the police that might need to know this in a hurry. Paramedics, firemen, good Samaritans, angry people, security guards, even a chance encounter with soldiers who are doing something official.
It’s common sense, yet something that makes common sense only after you are caught out.
It has to be different. It sure as hell isn’t the same. Where is the compromise?
And by the way, in that video, you’ll see the deaf man trying to communicate with the officer, while the officer continually bangs down the deaf man’s head, every time the deaf man tries to “say” something...
The deaf guy says something and *bang* (down goes his head). The guy tries again, and *bang* down goes the guys head on the back of the car (rear window). He tries it several times and *bang* — down his head gets slammed again...
Now, whether the officer has “problems” anyway or not — I don’t know — because I’ve seen (directly in front of me in real life) where officers have banged people around when I didn’t think they needed it and/or were not a threat, at all. So, maybe that officer would have done that to a hearing person, too.
But, nonetheless, all of the officers have to know when they are dealing with a deaf person...
You said — It has to be different. It sure as hell isn’t the same. Where is the compromise?”
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Well, for most “hearing people”, this is not a concept that they understand fully. Now, most people know things are “different” if someone has a handicap, like for instance, they’ve lost their legs and they’re in a wheelchair. And so, most think of things being “different” in that way — because of a “handicap”.
What most hearing people really don’t know is that the *entire worldview* is totally different, not simply a handicap (which it’s not in one way...), like a guy in a wheelchair. It’s a “totally different way” of perceiving the entire world you live in. It’s like hearing people live in South Africa and deaf people live in North America, different cultures, different perceptions, different ways of viewing things, completely different “understandings” — they are not even living in the same world.
And “this” (by the way) does not apply to people who have lost their hearing in later years, in an accident or from some kind of medical problem later on. It’s *not* the same with these people. These “deaf” (in later life) can’t understand completely, the “other deaf”.... (I know, it must be strange to those who don’t know it...).
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As far as what you said with “Where is the compromise?” — I’m not sure if I understand what you’re asking there...
Could you please direct me to a web site that would show the sign?
The cop beat him up and broke his nose, not much defense here at all, being deaf is not a reason to break bones.
I don’t think your consersation partner wants to understand. If he doesn’t, there’s nothing you can do to stop him...
Post #20 shows it...
You said — The cop beat him up and broke his nose, not much defense here at all, being deaf is not a reason to break bones.
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Yeah..., and if you look at that video, every time the deaf person was trying to “say” something — it was *bam* with his head on the car. Then again he tried to say something and then *bam* once again. That happened repeatedly...
You said — I don’t think your consersation partner wants to understand. If he doesn’t, there’s nothing you can do to stop him...
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I was beginning to suspect that he was “deaf” himself...
But, no..., really, sometimes deaf people don’t get the syntax in written English, while they understand ASL quite well. English syntax can confuse a deaf person. I was beginning to wonder if he was deaf...
No more likely a thug or relative of a thug who wishes to justify his or their bad behavior.
I have a brother in-law on the Fort Worth PD who has been investigated more than once. In his case, he really does need to be removed.
They could just be Italian!
You said — They could just be Italian!
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Yeah, to the “unitiated eye”.... But, to someone who can see ASL..., it’s unmistakable... :-)
Thank you very much, I saw that post after I made my request to you.
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