Silver Surfer
Posted on 08/22/2009 10:05:51 PM PDT by neverdem
Thanks.
You mean gravity waves come along once in a coon’s age?
LOL.
If I said that, I mask have been mistaken. ;’)
LOL.
THX.
The aim of science is to find the universal laws of physics. Both relativity and quantum mechanics are limited in their applications. And they contradict each other. In logic in only takes one counter example to disprove a proposition. Are you proposing that science throw logic out the window?
The graviton won’t show up. String theories are garbage science IMO. Even it’s proponents concede that to even begin getting useful results they need to fudge in an extra dimension, M-theory. 11 dimensions to describe a three dimensional, inverse square, phenomenon.
As I said, the hunt for a better theory is on. It's too early to say what that theory will be. But for about 60 years physicists worked in their respective fields and didn't talk to physicists in other fields. Those days are gone. Physicists from all fields are now talking to each other. And now physics must deal with the contradiction at the heart of its discipline.
Perhaps his theories need closer examination now that physicists are dealing honestly with the contradiction at the heart of their discipline.
Miller isn’t known for theories; what he did was to run a more accurate version of the MM experiment, and it didn’t fail. That’s fact and not theory and, to my knowledge, that eliminates the basis for relativity.
Science is about theories and measurements. The value of a theory is that it predicts measurements. Measurements are always approximate. But if measurements are close to the theoretical predictions, then it's a good theory.
As far as I can tell, Miller took measurements that seem to support theories about the existence of an ether drift to explain the constant speed of light. Today I don't think most physicists think the ether exists, but it might be worth looking into again. Whether the ether exists or not, relativity is limited in its applications, as Newtonian physics is limited in its applications.
The idea of "photons" makes about as much sense as the animal with properties of lions and elephants. When you see evidence of both waves and particles, the simplest explanation is that both waves and particles are present.
The wave/particle thing with light is probably similar to the situation for rifle fire in which waves moving at around 1100 fps are being created by bullets moving through the air much faster than that. The medium which light waves move through is probably a neutrino soup aether such as Wal Thornhill describes and the waves themselves move at a limit value which is C. The particles are probably Ralph Sansbury's sub-electron particles and the speed they move at is as Sansbury describes, around 10^22 m/sec. That would get you to one of the near galaxies in a couple of seconds.
Yes.
Your main idea: both waves and particles are present. If light is a particle, what do you call it in your theory?
The wave/particle thing with light is probably similar to the situation for rifle fire in which waves moving at around 1100 fps are being created by bullets moving through the air much faster than that. The medium which light waves move through is probably a neutrino soup aether such as Wal Thornhill describes and the waves themselves move at a limit value which is C. The particles are probably Ralph Sansbury's sub-electron particles and the speed they move at is as Sansbury describes, around 10^22 m/sec. That would get you to one of the near galaxies in a couple of seconds.
You are saying that light is a particle moving through some medium. But all we see is the effect light has on the medium which moves at speed c. OK, but why doesn't Galilean relativity apply? Well, measurements show that it doesn't. So now we have to apply ether or "wave" drift theories. And the particles themselves we know nothing about except this idea that they are moving 10^22 m/sec. I would say there is a lot more soup here than just a neutrino soup. I would call this the Minestrone Soup theory: just throw in whatever you have in the frige. When you get a consensus on that one among physicists, let me know.
This is just to suggest that maybe Amelino-Camelia’s quantized space-time and Einstein’s smoothly curving model may be in some sense “complementarities.”
Thank you again for the ping, Kevmo! Please keep me posted if you see anything more on this subject — I’ll be looking, too.
13 posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:01:59 PM by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
***Okay, here ya go. I’m including Alamo-Girl and Swordmaker
oops, I shoulda pinged you earlier...
Thanks for the ping, dear Kevmo!
Drove by LIGO (Hanford) today. It’s still there.
Tigger: Ha ha ha, she called me “dear.” Roo, are you ready for some bouncing?
Roo: Yeah! You and me are good bouncers!
Kanga: Just a moment, dear. ...
www.lavasurfer.com/wtp/pooh-transcript.html
I just thought of a good expression for LIGO, which is what we used to say about Gallium Arsenide: The future of technology and always will be. I think gravity waves will always be “just around the corner”.
Silver Surfer
LOLOL! The gravity wave quest reminds me of the Higgs field/boson quest...
At least with Higgs-Boson one can actually put their money where their mouth is, buying or selling contracts at Intrade. I suggested a LIGO contract but they aren’t interested.
Suggested contract: Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory detects gravity waves
http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/4072.page
Observation of the Higgs Boson Particle
Contract Bid Ask Last Vol Chge
HIGGS.BOSON.DEC09
Higgs Boson Particle to be observed on/before 31 Dec 2009 M Trade - 9.9 2.0 450 0
HIGGS.BOSON.DEC10
Higgs Boson Particle to be observed on/before 31 Dec 2010 M Trade 12.1 24.9 17.0 144 0
Suggested contract: Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory detects gravity waves
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