Posted on 11/04/2009 7:08:49 AM PST by Bob J
Well said, sir.
I am certain that this thread might go several hundred posts with people still not getting my point, they probably never will.
Change, in America or the GOP, will not come at the end of a scream or threat. It will come only when we change the hearts and minds of the voters doing the actual electing.
I can’t make it any simpler than that, but still, most will keep the blinders on, shouting, screaming and lighting their pitchforks.
They will lead us all to ruin.
Bob J
I could almost be with you on this except......
Scuzzy should not have been picked by the party (read her friend) putting the other country leaders on the spot and the Republican party should not have run attack ads against the conservative.
Those were the two unforgivable sins in all this.
Everything else could be debatable.
Oh I see, if I am a registered as a republican then I should vote republican no matter what candidate wears the republican label. Basically that is what Newt said and it appears to be what you are saying BJ.
Here is the lesson, pal..........We won, and it was a huge victory...not only did the lib rino show her true colors, the conservative ran on a third party, and kept the margin within 5 points....the GOP and RNCC just got slapped hard, and if they do not see this, they deserve to wail in the darkness of political irrelevence...
Wrong. See post #9.
Are you done crying in your beer? It was a loss, it happens, get over it. If 2% of the voters had decided differently Hoffman would be heading to Washington right now. I don’t know if people were attaching all their hopes and fears to this one election, but in any event it wasn’t going to change the makeup of the House.
Here's how: those folks were pissed at the way she was shoved out of the race, and decided to vote for her anyway.
A week and a half ago, it was reported that Hoffman had stated that, if he lost, he intended to run in the 2010 primary as a Republican.
So, he may not be “wandering into the sunset”.
It will also be interesting to see what position in the Obomba Administration Dedetee Scuzzyfaker will be taking.
In the 23NY, a liberal and a conservative ran. The liberal won... which says more about the voters in that district than it does the country club.
Newt and Steele supported the letter “R”, and did not consider any of the ideals of the person behind that moniker... For Newt to support such an obvious flaming liberal did nothing but cynically marginalize conservatives who are fed up with the status quo. Steele is an absolute joke. If you asked him to define Republicanism, he would have no answer. And he certainly doesn’t give a crap about conservatism.
No, at some point, heads need to roll. When the “heads” reveal themselves to be the enemy, no amount of local, grassroots effort will overcome the money and mouthpiece they have at their disposal.
You don't know that (unless you live there, do you?).
Most RINOs will never support trucons. According to national polling, trucons are about 40% of the voters. The other 10% needs to come from RINOs or DINOs.
We don't know Hoffman's ability to appeal to RINOs or DINOs. Given his desire to purge RINOs, it seems improbable that he could have gotten the 6% he needed from there. Owens is a vet and probably has high DINO appeal.
Do the frickin' math! Hoffman started with 44% and added zero, so he lost.
What disaster are you talking about?
If left unmolested by meddling conservatives, NY-23 would have elected a liberal to congress. That liberal may have had a D after the name or an R, but would have voted as a liberal either way.
Instead, the meddling conservatives got involved and forced the complacent GOP to notice that we are here and we are a force.
Plus, we gave the actual voters of NY-23 an actual choice in candidates. They didn't choose as we would have wished, but those wins will come in other districts with smarter voters.
Suck it up, glassjaw.
DeDe Scuzzy-whatever was an @sshole, and she erased all doubts about that over the last three days of the race.
The GOP will be back for this one again in 2010, which (ironically) may be the last year this district even exists. New York has been hemhorraging voters for decades, and will likely lose a few more House seats after the 2010 census.
“that led us to disaster in NY-23”
A true Conservative lost by 4 points. After, not being nominated. After, scorn from the leftist republicans and dems. After, his republican opponent quit, and 2 days from the election, threw her support to the democrat opponent.
This is not a disaster. This is a wake up call.
As the Roman General might have put it, "one more such 'victory' will undo us."
I’m not shouting, screaming or lighting pitchforks (not sure what that is) but I always vote - always talk conservative issues and make sure EVERYONE knows how a conservative sounds.
I will just vote for myself if the repub party doesn’t pick my choice - sorry - I wont compromise.
There are no easy answers’ but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. - Ronald Reagan
Yes, the RINO’s need to go. To simply win at any cost while discarding your values does not sit well with your average conservative.
I sincerely hope that this is the beginning of the end of compromising principles just to claim victory. The current GOP “elites” are no better than their cohorts on the left. They do not care a whit for their constituencies and are only focused on keeping their jobs. They believe that the country as a whole is moving to the left and that conservatives are quickly becoming a far right fringe extremist faction. Note their desire to draw votes from liberals by running candidates who share the values of liberals, conservative values be damned as long as they can claim a Republican victory.
Enough is enough. Replacing the Republican party with a Conservative based party is not an overnight task but the job must be done one way or another, from within or without.
Who knows - several of them might be on this very thread, accusing the more principled among us of losing this race.
Gee, I wish Bob had said that.... Oh, wait. He did say that!
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