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Frum’s Fall is the Right’s Loss
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | 3/25/10 | John R. Guardiano

Posted on 03/26/2010 8:45:12 AM PDT by Michael van der Galien

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To: Michael van der Galien
Something about this article seems a little queer!
21 posted on 03/26/2010 9:14:37 AM PDT by DaveyB (Alcohol ,Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store not a bureaucracy!)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Frum’s rights are not being jeopardized by his getting fired from the AEI. He still has his free speech rights intact. He can say whatever he wants wherever he is employed next.

Frum was just not a good spokesperson for any republican/conservative political matter. In the case of conservative politics, Frum’s dismissal was a positive for the conservative movement. It’s addition by subtraction.


22 posted on 03/26/2010 9:17:56 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Michael van der Galien

I never heard of John R. Guardiano, and now I hope never to hear of him again.


23 posted on 03/26/2010 9:18:02 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Michael van der Galien

David Frum can continue to speak all he wants. I am sure it will continue to be as nonsensical as his completely idiotic column on how dumb Republicans were not to work with Ozero on health care.

He cannot be completely unaware that what was demanded of Republicans was capitulation in this Marxist dream of controlling the people and bankrupting the country. I guess he can’t see the electoral bloodbath waiting for the dems in November.


24 posted on 03/26/2010 9:18:51 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Well, it would be if he were still conservative. Unfortunately, he’s not a conservative, he’s a textbook moderate to liberal Republican. I say this not to call names but to call it what it is.


25 posted on 03/26/2010 9:26:12 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Michael van der Galien

LOL! I guess that could be true if you consider “Frum’s pathetic, desperate whining” to be pushing “the intellectual envelope”.
I hardly consider it a loss.


26 posted on 03/26/2010 9:30:06 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Michael van der Galien
The Right’s response to David Frum’s perceived heresies has inflicted serious intellectual and political damage on the conservative movement.

The only responses I've seen to Frum's endless bashing of anyone opposed to Obama and the Democrats have been well-reasoned disputes of Frum's assumptions and arguments. Anyone who thinks these "inflicted serious intellectual and political damage on the conservative movement" is underestimating the conservative movement and overestimating Frum's importance.
27 posted on 03/26/2010 9:35:52 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Michael van der Galien

Frum has no following. His pathetic website is lucky to get thirty visitors a day.


28 posted on 03/26/2010 9:39:43 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: muawiyah

I lost all respect for Frum when he lied about Sarah Palin’s record in Alaska. I forget the specific details now, but he made an allegation about one of her tax proposals that - upon investigation - I found to be patently false.


29 posted on 03/26/2010 9:55:35 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Michael van der Galien
We are not saying David Frum can't speak. We are just saying he can't speak for us.
30 posted on 03/26/2010 9:55:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl (VETO PROOF MAJORITY IN 2010)
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To: Michael van der Galien

No one has injured his freedom of speech. He’s free to say anything he likes. And I’m free to criticize it. And his employer is free to decide if Frum’s message fits with their overall message or if he might be a better fit down the road somewhere.

No mobs surrounded Frum’s office and prevented him from speaking. No one threatened to take away the license of any radio station that invited him on. No one threatened to shut down AEI, although it wouldn’t surprise me if some of their donors called and threatened to withhold their donations. Thats their right as well.

If someone keeps poking me in the eye, I have the right to criticize him and the right to criticize the organization that employs him. That doesn’t subtract anything from his right to keep poking me in the eye on his own dime.


31 posted on 03/26/2010 9:56:27 AM PDT by marron
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To: Michael van der Galien

The author is incorrect. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.


32 posted on 03/26/2010 9:57:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Michael van der Galien
Good riddance to bad stinkin rubbish.
33 posted on 03/26/2010 9:58:41 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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Why, only this week Ann Coulter was prohibited from speaking at the University of Ottawa.

Very false comparison. The Ann Coulter thing is about being THREATENED WITH A CRIME.

BTW...Coulter was fired from NRO some time back. Did Horowitz put up the same fuss then?

34 posted on 03/26/2010 10:09:10 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: sportutegrl
We are not saying David Frum can't speak. We are just saying he can't speak for us.

Exactly.

35 posted on 03/26/2010 10:11:34 AM PDT by marron
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To: Michael van der Galien
Horowitz has jumped the dixie chick shark.

Deciding to decline further supporting someones free speech is not an abridgment of their free speech. We are not obligated under the law to respect the free speech rights of the dixie chicks by buying their records. Neither is AEI obligated under the law to respect the free speech rights of Frum by paying him.

The AIE has freedom of association. They can decline to associate with Frum is they wish.

The AIE has freedom of speech. They can outline where they disagree with Frum, and are not obligated to pay him to say things that they feel is contrary to their message while under the AIE banner.

Is this clear to you Horowitz? Or are you still waxing your water skis?

36 posted on 03/26/2010 10:19:10 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: driftless2

National Review is kind of inconsistent sometimes. It definitely has not been the same since W.F. Buckley passed. And Chris Buckley..? Yeecch.


37 posted on 03/26/2010 10:37:32 AM PDT by princeofdarkness ("Obama Lied. Liberty, Morality, and Prosperity Died.")
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To: Michael van der Galien
Spare us the lectures about David Frum's "free speech."

A few years ago David Frum penned a vicious article in National Review that called for certain conservatives that he personally deemed "unpatriotic" to be forcibly purged from the political right. His list ran the gamut from the isolationist Buchanan types to libertarians to mainstream conservatives such as Robert Novak who had grown weary of the Bush admin's excesses.

Frum became increasingly shrill in his "purge" movement over the years that followed, and expanded his list of targets to include most of talk radio, with Limbaugh among them.

Now the shoe is on the other foot, and it's Frum that's being purged. It's long overdue. And it can be accurately stated that he's reaping what he sowed.

38 posted on 03/26/2010 11:15:35 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses
There's a connection between Coulter's treatment at the University of Ottawa and David Frum at the AEI? Huh?

Here's the HATE Test to determine whether a person is a real conservative and is effective: Are the HATED by the Left?

Frum's never been attacked by the Left that I'm aware of. Frum attacks conservatives and then gets plenty of time on the MSM to attack some more as a 'true conservative'. Do we really need to know any more?

39 posted on 03/26/2010 12:20:49 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Kind of a weird editorial. Frum has the right to speak out and he has been all over the place. Frum is the Mainstream Media’s favorite “go-to” Republican. He doesn’t have the constitutional right to be paid big bucks by the AEI though.

AEI also has Norm Ornstein who I used to see all over the place. Ornstein is a conventional liberal, as far as I can tell.


40 posted on 03/26/2010 12:24:01 PM PDT by AlanD
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