Posted on 05/29/2010 10:19:58 AM PDT by Drew68
Really? Please cite a statute or a police training manual where a suspect that flees and has been identified by a witness as being involved in a violent crime is presumed innocent.
You obviously would not make a good wart on a cops nut sack. Now, go pop your ass pimple, learn about police work then come back and play...
That asinine comment of yours distills what I find objectionable about police mentality.
I can't support this, as a citizen. King County Sheriffs Dept and Seattle Police are out of control. They've stacked the appeals boards and written contracts such that it's impossible to be fired for wrongdoing.
There are plenty of examples. Kris Kime, a local boy who was beaten to death in Pioneer Square, and the cops watched. Malika Calhoun, a local girl who was thrown around a jail cell by a KC deputy. Just in the last two weeks, another story about police brutality. It never seems to be an issue, unless there's video.
My local police are contracted through KC Sheriffs Dept.
Another story from a few years back...local gal didn't come home from work one night. Her husband called the police, who first wouldn't even take a report. Some time later, they decided to take a report, but wouldn't investigate...unless the guy took a lie detector test first.
He didn't. A few days later, he asked the police to search for her cell phone signal. They didn't think it was appropriate, didn't ask a court for permission.
She was found, six, seven days later, just up the road from me, upside down in her crashed vehicle in bushes less than 30 yards from the highway.
No thanks to the "police."
I'm a law abiding citizen who's decided the cure is worse than the disease. I'm not alone.
My working philosophy now? Whatever you do, DON'T CALL THE POLICE!!!
It's also true though that the average citizen will interact much more frequently over his/her lifetime with a typical GED/Community College educated cop on street patrol (read: burger flipper with a badge) than they will with an FBI agent, or even a higher ranking detective at a big city department. Hence the problem.
Agreed.
Are you advising Blacks to always run from White policemen?
No, and if you had bothered to read/were capable of reading the link, you would know that two of the three victims who Officer Cecil Price pulled over twice on trumped up "speeding" charges to hand over to the Klan to be murdered were white.
And I am definitely saying that those three victims would have been COMPLETELY justified to flee Officer Price in a mad dash for the next county over the second his lights came on, given what he did to them the first time he stopped them. They would have also been completely justified in putting a bullet in his head in self defense, had they been armed, given what he was intending to do to them.
Ku Klux Kops are a stain upon our nation's history, and there were many of them in existence in towns all over the country up until only a few decades ago. Today their descendants have migrated over into another branch of organized crime, the Labor Union.
I know! I know!!! Because it's pure speculation on your part???
You cop groupies accuse us of being kneejerk, but you're trashing a guy and a situation you obviously know nothing about, pulling stuff out of your...un, ear.
You really are not helping the credibility of yourself or of cops, you know.
That's your position, not mine.
Again gogeo, you must be an expert since you say it that must settle it.
Seeing as the typical prerequisite for being a cop in the United States is nothing more than a GED, and seeing as even the bigger, "more professional" departments require no more than a couple hours of credit towards an unfinished Associate's Degree at a community college or ITT Tech, I tend not to put much faith in the self-asserted "expertise" that is claimed by the law enforcement community.
Saying that only cops are qualified to criticize other cops is the intellectual equivalent of saying that only blacks are qualified to criticize President Obama.
Exactly...except in this case, their hands are tied.
I'm referring, now, to the King County Sheriff's Dept.
I know the person who was Sheriff before Sue Rahr...that is my current Congresscritter, Dave Reichert. Sad to say, he was a much better Sheriff than Congresscritter.
He made a presentation at my local Rotary. To give a little more history, his position used to be appointed. We(citizens) forced a charter change to make the position elected; he was the first.
I asked him if he saw a difference in before and after...you wouldn't believe the smile that came across his face.
The contracts are still negotiated by the County Executive, who is the political/union hack you'd expect. The personnel boards are staffed by union types. Deputies are routinely reinstated after outrageous actions.
This is just the latest.
That's why I have so little patience with the usual apologists...and why I reject the usual "stand back, we're experts" nonsense.
Dude paid $60 to have his buddy drive him from Olympia to Seattle (reason unknown to me)
Could it be he wanted to spend a night in town hitting the bars? Could it be that it's none of your, or the cop's, business?
Dropping $60 on a cab trip into town for a night of hitting the downtown bars with buddies wasn't all that uncommon of a thing back in college. And none of us were "wealthy" then by any means. That didn't automatically make us "drug dealers" or whatever else it is you are libelously attempting to claim about this kid.
Could it be he wanted to spend a night in town hitting the bars? Could it be that it's none of your, or the cop's, business?
Dropping $60 on a cab trip into town for a night of hitting the downtown bars with buddies wasn't all that uncommon of a thing back in college. And none of us were "wealthy" then by any means. That didn't automatically make us "drug dealers" or whatever else it is you are libelously attempting to claim about this kid.
See red above.
If the reason is unknown to you, then why do you keep bringing it up with the not so subtle and completely libelous implication that he was in Seattle for a drug deal?
How do we know that Harris wasn't fleeing because the cop, Deputy Matthew Paul, was trying to rape him in that dark alley?
It's just as plausible as anything you've speculated about Harris. And we do know for a fact that cops like to rape and molest things.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/09/nj_cop_robert_melia_taped_havi.php
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/05/27/1202516/officer-allegedly-molested-relative.html
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/jan/22/fort-pierce-police-officer-found-guilty-molesting-/
http://www.lvrj.com/news/former-police-officer-pleads-guilty-in-molestation-case-91547889.html
It doesn't matter. I mean, literally, it doesn't matter.
If the groupie knew anything about Seattle/King County, he would know that drug enforcement has been de-emphasized. It's not a police priority anymore, the local prosecutors don't prosecute it. It was a decision well publicized, made at the top.
They didn't care if he had drugs or not...and wouldn't have bothered to pick any up, even if they'd seen them.
If he knew anything...
Yea, that's better.
Well, seeing as none of the badgelickers here have disproven the speculation that the kid was fleeing from the cop because the cop was trying to rape him in a dark alley, I think I’ll stick with that interpretation of events for the moment =)
Evidence of what? I thought the cops were chasing him because someone MISTAKENLY thought he was in a bar fight? Did I missing something in the story? I did read it twice and observed the video several times..........
Court cases aren't argued on the basis of "What If's"........
What would have happened if the cops had remained with the bar witnesses longer and obtained a more detailed information on the suspects involved in the bar fight?
Myself, because I'm prone to a runny nose all year long, I'm always carrying a wad of kleenex in my pocket.......a wad that would resemble all the other discarded white objects on the ground at the scene of the attack on that kid.......
If you're in some way going off on a tangent and trying to imply that the kid had drugs, then why didn't either of the chasing officers pick up the "pack of drugs" which they clearly saw him throwing away?
Don't waste your time in arguing that useless point because now you're dealing with a hypothetical issue that obviously didn't have any relevance to the case..........
A biased internal investigation into the actions of those two cops won't mean a darn thing once this gets into a civil court. My guess is that the city will settle out of court in order to prevent it from going to Jury trial.................
Of course not.
Uh, that hasn't been proven moonman. According to the report, some witnesses claimed they heard the cops identify themselves as cops, conflicting witnesses claimed they never heard any such thing......
The jury trial will air all this out.......
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