Posted on 08/22/2010 11:02:16 AM PDT by wagglebee
So, why should the baby die because of the crime of his or her father? As I asked earlier, in what other cases are the children of the criminal put to death?
That said, my stand on abortion always has been the same; that it should be treated much like homicide.
Yet you support it in cases that ARE NOT homicide.
A woman, like a man, has the right to kill in self-defense. If she has a bona-fide medical reason that a pregnancy will kill her, then she should have an abortion in a hospital.
Another red herring as nobody has suggested otherwise and, just so we are clear, carrying a child of rape IS NOT life threatening.
But pro-life advocates and protestors forced most hospitals to stop providing abortions, exactly the places where a board of doctors used to decide the validity of a life-saving need for an abortion.
This is a pro-abortion talking point which is PATENTLY FALSE. There is not a hospital in the nation that will not perform abortions where the mother will die otherwise.
Now we have an entire industry of abortion providers doing exactly what we don’t want: killing the unborn.
If you don't want abortion then why are you pushing all of the pro-abortion talking points?
83 years old. How could someone that age have learned so little?Yes, indeed, and I bet Jesus lets her live a while longer just so she gets the opportunity to repent. Remember Ted Kennedy? Brain cancer and suffering. Jesus was pulling out all the stops in his regard.
Because we shouldn’t victimize women twice; the first time when they are raped, and second when forced to carry a child of a criminal conceived during a rape.How does having a child "victimize" a women? How is KILLING that child "self defense"?...
A woman, like a man, has the right to kill in self-defense. If she has a bona-fide medical reason that a pregnancy will kill her, then she should have an abortion in a hospital.
uh, a 14 year old who is pregnant has been sexually abused. Legally, it was statuatory rape.
Note the mom is more interested in hiding her “shame” than in protecting her daughter.
>>Because we shouldn’t victimize women twice; the first time when they are raped, and second when forced to carry a child of a criminal conceived during a rape.<<
So killing her own child makes her feel better?
Why not carry to term and give that child to a couple who is dying to have a baby?
Why not make something good out of something evil?
I would say that it's just as likely that she has a boyfriend who is basically the same age.
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This sounds a lot like Zero's belief that a baby is "punishment."
That's why arguments based on "the life of the mother" are mostly uninformed, or irrelevant.
“Actually she is a deceived sinful soul held in bondage the Satan.”
Very true. She needs to be prayed for.
I think she’s like a serial killer by proxy. If she really embraced zero population growth she damn sure would have had herself sterilized and not had 4 children.
Once when I was very young, stupid, immoral and lost, I had sex with two men in one night; one of them wasn’t really invited, and in fact was a surprise even, but I was on drugs and probably alcohol as well and could not protest.
I got pregnant. I had a junk job, lived in a rented room in an attic, and neither man had the slightest interest in any kind of permanent relationship with me. I saw the pregnancy as a horrible problem and could see no other solution. I felt horribly sick and knew nothing about health or taking care of my body or the baby, and I was very estranged from my family.
I had an abortion.
I still cry and repent about my crime.
I think of how he or she would be 40 years old, most likely with children of their own. A few years later I met a friend, who had gotten pregnant out of wedlock around the same time.
She went through with her pregnancy, and gave the baby up for adoption. How I wish I had done that! Perhaps if people were on the street in front of the abortionist and counseled me I might have made the right choice.
If you had been the product of rape or a very wrong decision, would you rather that someone had killed you, or that you had been allowed to be born?
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
You weren’t raped; you made a really bad choice. People make mistakes and adults learn to deal with those mistakes. One can do so WITHOUT compounding it by committing murder (abortion). This child you aborted could have made a couple, somewhere, very happy parents.
I know you feel guilty about it but it seems you’re aware that it was wrong. As Christians we are forgiven not to sin again.
I’m not terribly forgiving on this subject. A relative of mine, who I refuse to speak to, has had seven abortions. Only one was to save her life (eclampsia - a medically sound reason, at six weeks of pregnancy, to seek an abortion.) Her unborn baby was dead and had become toxic. Five abortions were due to supposed tubal pregnancies and the last was just because she didn’t want the child. She argues vociferously that her abortions were justified but I’m having non of it.
“If you had been the product of rape or a very wrong decision, would you rather that someone had killed you, or that you had been allowed to be born?”
Hypothetical questions of this sort don’t move me. The reason being they’re ususally made to manipulate a perferred answer based on guilt. Let me just say this: adults make judgements every day and it should be up to the individual woman who has been a rape victim to decide.
Many years ago I was beaten and raped. As I discovered years later I couldn’t have children so I couldn’t concieve, but I didn’t know that at the time and considered what I would do if pregnant. Since my mother had suffered severely during pregnancies due to uremic poisonning and in the end almost died during “C” sections, I chose the same as you. (Of the three babies my mother had who survived preganancy, one died three days following birth and the other two had physical abnormalities). If married, I would have been willing to face any obstacle to have a child.
But you see, I have compassion for the rape victim because I’ve been one.
Many women have been raped and chosen life.
I cannot see the logic justifying killing a child who is innocent, because a man did a great wrong.
“If she is evil, what do you call the situation of a 12-year old pregnant by her father?”
Evil.
What’s your point?
“Because we shouldn’t victimize women twice”
Then a rape victim should NEVER have an abortion.
Women aren’t baby machines. Pregnancy can be risky and women do die in childbirth. It should be the rape victim’s choice whether to have that child, not yours.
Abortion is not a compassionate response. It seems like an easy way out but it is not. Now the woman will carry physical and emotional scars from the rape and from the abortion. Carrying a child to term will be difficult but can be a healing process as well. If she raises the baby herself she can find joy from that. If she gives the baby away, she will find peace knowing she did the very hard but right thing.
What I was saying is that abortion victimizes women. Yes pregnancy can be risky and women do die in childbirth. Abortions can also be risky and women can die from abortions. Again, what is your point???
Is an unborn child a person or not? If so, even the child of a rape victim deserves to have their rights protected!
If not, you have no right to be upset if your cousin has 50 unneccesary abortions.
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