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Report: Sheriff Knew About Loughner’s Actions & Previous Threats – Failed to Act Rumor)
Gateway Pundit ,Rightnetwork ^ | January 10,2011 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/10/2011 3:39:06 PM PST by Hojczyk

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1 posted on 01/10/2011 3:39:09 PM PST by Hojczyk
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Jared’s father works in Child Protective Services. I wonder if he ever tried to get his son the help he so obviously needed?


2 posted on 01/10/2011 3:40:49 PM PST by hennie pennie
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So what.

You heard me. So what. You can’t arrest somebody unless you have a real threat. Just because somebody is odd or a misfit or weird........you have to wait until they do something hello.

Judas Priest, these journalists are idiots, total nincompoops.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 3:41:11 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Why is nobody talking about what police protection they had at this meeting? Fact is, there was none. Who’s responsability was that?


4 posted on 01/10/2011 3:47:34 PM PST by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: yldstrk

Your wrong, Communicating a threat is a felony. If this is true it will come out in court.


5 posted on 01/10/2011 3:48:40 PM PST by JoSixChip
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Well, I guess he didn’t communicate a CREDIBLE threat then.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 3:49:54 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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That is why the whole entire this looks bogus to me. From the supposed target to the other suspicious facets of the case. Gee, a federal judge was killed. How do they know kid hadn’t been put up to stalk the guy?


7 posted on 01/10/2011 3:51:19 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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I believe making a death threat is considered a form of assault. Any Attorneys want to weigh in on that one?


8 posted on 01/10/2011 3:51:51 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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Yeah. I guess he didn’t.


9 posted on 01/10/2011 3:55:10 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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If he's making death threats by phone, that's under the category of terroristic threats, or perhaps stalking. I don't know Arizona law, but Georgia law provides for both offenses and Arizona law probably isn't very different. I'm sure somebody'll correct me if I'm wrong.

OCGA 16-11-37(a): "A person commits the offense of a terroristic threat when he or she threatens to commit any crime of violence . . . " OCGA 16-5-90: "A person commits the offense of stalking when he or she follows, places under surveillance, or contacts another person at or about a place or places without the consent of the other person for the purpose of harassing and intimidating the other person. . . "

Either one is prosecutable here. Stalking does not require an actual death threat, only putting somebody in reasonable fear of bodily harm. Looks like we've got that here - this guy was obviously deranged and plenty of people have reported that they thought he was violent. Terroristic threats requires corroboration, but if he was making multiple death threats to various people at the school and elsewhere, just about any magistrate would issue a warrant because the threats corroborate each other.

If all these people called the sheriff's office and the sheriff's office declined to pursue a warrant, the sheriff may have a problem here. But it all depends on "what he knew and when he knew it."

10 posted on 01/10/2011 3:55:35 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: yldstrk

Communicating a threat is communicating a threat, what is your point? Who determines credible, and why? Those may be more relevant questions as the so called sheriff has already stated the perp has made recent threats. I’m not sure if your all worked up over the fact that somebody can be locked up for communicating a threat or you think the sheriff is being slandered?


11 posted on 01/10/2011 3:56:03 PM PST by JoSixChip
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To: Republic of Texas

No it’s not a form of assault where I practice. It is however illegal to issue threats and the issuer will likely have a restraining order against them for up to one year if the person they threatened meets certain criteria and requests one, appears in court and is deemed credible.


12 posted on 01/10/2011 3:59:27 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Maybe it matters because the Sherriff could have prevented him from passing a background check to get a gun. Did the Sherriff take the necessary steps to prevent him from purchasing weapons? Could he have? Should he have? Smart reporters would be finding out.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 4:03:52 PM PST by carmody
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My point is this—

idiots yell this in domestic cases all day and don’t get locked up—there wouldn’t be enough jails to hold them.

The threat has to be credible. I mean, in the law certain things have to be weighed, you have to have dates, times, places, intent, if a four year old communicates a threat to take the car and drive to Mexico that is different than if a 15 year old does so and the parents will react differently, right? Same with law enforcement—they have to constantly make these kinds of assessments and then have them approved by the court system—you can’t just go out and pick someone up and hold them, a lawyer will have you out in a NY second and if you overdo it you will get fired, kapish? Individuals have rights in this country. At this point anyway.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 4:04:55 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Hoe did this whack-job ever pass an FBI background check for his gun license?


15 posted on 01/10/2011 4:06:10 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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I wonder how many conservatives the Sheriff was investigating? I’d like to know if he EVER looked at a liberal as a possible terrorist...


16 posted on 01/10/2011 4:08:00 PM PST by GOPJ (When liberals are FORCED to pay for Rush Limbaugh's show, I'll be happy to pay for NPR.)
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It is however illegal to issue threats and the issuer will likely have a restraining order against them for up to one year if the person they threatened meets certain criteria and requests one, appears in court and is deemed credible.

The point of this story is that the sheriff's office discouraged threat recipients from pursuing formal charges, telling them that the situation was under control. One would think that multiple unrelated threat recipients would have been a red flag to the sheriff's office, which could have applied, as I understand Arizona law, to have Loughner evaluated; involuntarily if necessary.

17 posted on 01/10/2011 4:10:01 PM PST by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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I get your point, that there wasn’t much the sheriff could have done. And since he may not have been aware of direct threats against Gifford, I guess (apparently) the threats were against a grab bag of other people, it didn’t occur to him that she needed protection.

But it is noteworthy that the sheriff knew the kid, and immediately came out guns ablazing against tea-party “vitriol” which of course had nothing to do with the case... and the sheriff knew it. He was making a preemptive attempt to muddy the water.

He couldn’t protect her against a crazy kid that he knew was making threats, he didn’t bother to have a deputy on hand to help with crowd control or what-have-you, but he could lash out against people who did not threaten her. Which is to say, us.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 4:17:15 PM PST by marron
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The Loughner family is now barring the FBI from entering their home. That’s strange.

I think they're trying to block obnoxious media and the FBI has to deal with it. That doesn't seem strange to me.

19 posted on 01/10/2011 4:23:30 PM PST by the_daug
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This is absolutely ridiculous! To even premise that his parents didn't have an inkling that he was insane is pure sophistry! Of course they knew he was a ticking time bomb but they figured they play the odds,...and they lost. He been doing drugs since Jr. High. He must have been high thousands of times, many in their presence. They had to know he'd been bounced from community college,...not because of low grades, but because he was mentally unstable in sane company!

HIs poor family my ass! They should be locked up and sued until their paupers!

20 posted on 01/10/2011 4:30:27 PM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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