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Organic Food and Liberal Ideology
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | May 21, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/21/2012 11:24:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: webheart
I agree that there are those factors and many others, some of which are using corn for ethanol, increases in one food commodity causing alternatives to be sought which influences the prices of others, weather variations, etc., that drive market prices.

Certainly the cost of fuels being higher most certainly bubbles through the rest of the economy and pushes up prices in general.

Food stamp funds come out of the general fund, I believe a little less than half of which is borrowed (by the issuance of Treasury debt). It's not "created" money that's the problem, it's money that come from current taxes and future taxes that's the problem.

Also, if food stamps were abolished as they should be, those people would still eat, the food money would simply come from another source, i.e., a job, family, charities, etc.

Smelling the most wonderful commodity, coffee...

For a nice picture of how "the powers that be", i.e., "big food" has been thinking and planning for the past couple decades, I found it interesting to go back and peruse some web pages of the International Food & Agricultural Trade Policy Council's website.

Here is donor/funding page text:

"IPCFunding and Donors Annual Structural Support, 2011

* Bunge North America (United States)
* Croplife International (Belgium)
* Fonterra Cooperative Group, Ltd. (New Zealand)
* International Fertilizer Association
* Deere & Company (United States)
* Nederlandse Zuivel Organisatie (The Netherlands)
* Nestlé (Switzerland)
* Rabobank International (The Netherlands)
* Syngenta International AG (Switzerland)
* UNICA (Brazil)
* Unilever N.V. (The Netherlands)
* Universal Corporation (United States)
* Vion (The Netherlands)
* World Wildlife Fund (United States)

Project Support and In-Kind Support, 2011


* Hogan Lovells US LLP
* Illinois Farm Bureau
* The German Marshall Fund of the United States
* Crop Life International
* The Chicago Council on Global Affairs
* The European Commission

© 2007 International Food & Agricultural Trade Policy Council
1616 P Street, NW, Suite 100
Washington, DC 20036
tel: 1.202.328.5056
fax: 1.202.328.5133
email: agritrade@agritrade.org "

Here's a nice page with some of their position papers...

http://www.agritrade.org/Publications/index.html#positionpapers

If you take the time to carefully analyze the plentiful "strategies" they outline, you'll find at the heart of it the concerns of providing markets for big business in every nation, cutting their costs and regulations, in every nation, allowing them to operate basically any way they want, all in the name of "feeding the poor" and making food access more "equitable". For modern countries that are wealthy and can easily produce natural and wonderful foods to plentifully provide for their own citizens, this organization seems to say hey, get with the program and drop your selfish self interests. So Americans need to share their beef, French need to share their wine, etc. Spread the wealth and pass the potatoes.

I did not know about this organization until just now. I trust less than 1% of Americans know about this organization. It's just one; there are many and varied big business interests.

Many people don't like "Agenda 21". It comes from the same type of place: globalists; big business, politicians, academia and the media getting together.

There were some astonishing lines in some of these papers in terms of their assault on national sovereignty.

Here are position paper titles for those too "busy" to click...

* Biofuel and Biomass Subsidies in the U.S., EU and Brazil

September 2010 (Position Paper)

* CSIS Global Food Security Project: The Role of Markets and Trade in Food Security

June 2010

* The Doha Round and Alternative Options for Creating a Fair and Market-Oriented Agricultural Trade System

November 2009

* Strategic Framework for Food Security in APEC

November 2009

* ICTSD-IPC Platform on Climate Change, Agriculture and Trade: Considerations for Policymakers

October 2009 (ICTSD-IPC Platform on Climate Change, Agriculture and Trade

Promoting Policy Coherence)

* Agricultural Export Restrictions: Welfare Implications and Trade Disciplines

January 2009

* The Domestic Impact of Export Restrictions: The Case of Argentina

July 2008

* Reconciling Food Safety with Import Facilitation Objectives: Helping Developing Country Producers Meet U.S. and EU Food Requirements Through Transatlantic Cooperation

June 2008

* Making Agricultural Trade Reform Work for the Poor
June 2005
* A New Approach to Special and Differential Treatment
September 2004
* Agenda Options for Agricultural Policy Reform in the Seattle Round
September 1999
* State Trading and The WTO: Reforming the Rules for Agriculture
September 1999
* Reforming Global Meat Policy and Regulations
November 1998
* Plant Biotechnology and Global Food Production: Trade Implications
October 1998
* Building a Global Open Food System August 1998
* The Role of Regionalism in Agricultural Trade Reform
June 1998
* Agriculture and EU Enlargement to the East March 1997
* Attaining Global Food Security by 2025 November 1996
* Dairy Policy in the Post-Uruguay Round Era August 1996
* Sugar Policy in the Post-Uruguay Round Era August 1996

Many conservatives and libertarians oppose certain agendas while they support various big businesses and industries out of a sense of free enterprise - but don't realize that often the businesses they support are the main proponents of the agendas they oppose.


21 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:05 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

The marxist ideas that the Obama administration touts, for example, “electricity prices in the U.S. would have to go up” are often found, after a little research, to be either fully supported by or even conceived by various industries.

In the case of food, the papers I pointed to take clear positions that the developed nations must feel pain in order to satisfy the needs of the developing ones.

That’s not free enterprise in my book, yet big business is backing the “research” group proposing this idea.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Kaslin
“when people can pat themselves on the back for their moral behavior, they can become self-righteous,’”

Most Prius drivers and higher income suburban Obama voters.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I always figured the amount of vehicle exhaust you breathe in and out going in and out of the grocery store to buy organics kinda cancelled the whole benefit out.

If you are dead serious about organics, grow it yourself.


24 posted on 05/21/2012 3:26:16 PM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: txhurl

Most of us do grow our own but unlike you, we don’t live in climates where you can harvest 12 months out of the year. Some of “us” have a three month window.

Yeah I drive an SUV because I have to drive through alot of snow and I drive it right to Whole Foods so I can feed my family real fresh food throughout the winter.

When man decided he was smarter than g*d, or in the Libs case Gaia, an interesting thing happened, when we started dickin around with seeds and food.
GMO was approved in 1991, 1992 was Agenda 21 UN approval.
Autism, Lymes, MS, Fibromyalgia, CFS started to proliferate..... coincidence?

Keep eating that crap.


25 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:21 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: acapesket

I left out an important clause: the amount of toxic DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT and then walking into the grocery store, you might be ingesting more than organic can rollback.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 6:34:41 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker. Come on, Ron, give us the chance to do so.)
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To: txhurl
I always figured the amount of vehicle exhaust you breathe in and out going in and out of the grocery store to buy organics kinda cancelled the whole benefit out.

No, if I ingest small amounts of poison over a lifetime that cause various health problems, breathing in fresh air won't fix those problems.

If you are dead serious about organics, grow it yourself.

No one is obligated to grow their own food.

Eating organics allows one to avoid food coloring; there's a good example of an additive that many people would like to avoid. Food coloring is not used for taste or nutrition; it's only purpose is to change the color of food. So it's not necessary from a strictly functional food point of view. It's merely used to help influence the retail food purchasing decisions of the unknowledgable and those with undemanding palates, i.e., the ignorant masses.

Allura Red AC is an example of a food coloring where it's safety is a matter of debate. Many people simply choose to avoid any possibility of bringing sickness and adverse health conditions on themselves by avoiding food dyes altogether. If a waiter asks "would you like the fancy bright red meat with dash of poison or the normal meat-colored meat with no poison - they both taste the same ?" I'll take the no poison.

Today, the whole process from seed and soil to factory to table introduces countless substances that are causing many of the problems that big medicine makes money off of.

xanthan gum is favorite of mine (used to adjust the rheology of both food and cement - and it has a cool name); it's linked to various allergies. Why not use a little roux, arrowroot, etc., to thicken like we always have and not have to think about health problems. Use the xanthan gum for the cement.
27 posted on 05/21/2012 9:10:34 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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28 posted on 05/21/2012 9:41:08 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: txhurl

Are you just a smart ass or do you have a Prius stuck somewhere.
Buzz off.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 9:42:12 PM PDT by acapesket
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30 posted on 05/21/2012 9:45:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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Another good one! LOL!


31 posted on 05/21/2012 9:49:05 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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(Thank you!!)

32 posted on 05/21/2012 9:54:57 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Kaslin
I hated disagreeing with Rush today but his truth-o-meter needs adjusting. He is dead wrong on this one. Even crazy ass Topanga Canyon liberal hippies, like a broken c,lock, can still be correct a couple times a day.

Rush, which is truly a more conservative food choice?

A) A steak from a feedlot cow who lived a miserable short life in a wallow of feces, stuffed with antibiotics and gmo grains and fed hormones and drugs to get it to grow bigger faster, who has no omega 3 fats in it thus promoting illness

Or

B) a steak from a grassfed cow whose food was whatever natural grasses it found while grazing in the sunshine, fairly happy until that one bad day, giving the cow a healthy ratio of omega 3 fats to omega 6's, making that steak almost as healthy as salmon to whomever eats it? Rather than being marinated in hormones, drugs, and antibiotics, its flavor is beefy, fresh, and clean like the steaks Granddaddy used to eat?

Organic in terms of produce means less likely to include toxic pesticides that CAUSE Alzheimer's and gehrig's and Parkinson's. I'd rather pay extra for them than have my kids deal with the burdens of my late life neurodegenerative disease, if possible. I think that is a conservative value, putting my children's future ahead of my desire to save cash today.

I am pleased that so many conservatives care about health. That paleo caller you had was right on. By eating good, plain, conservative, old timey food, he cured himself of diabetes. There are a million stories like his out there. People are becoming healthy by returning to the foods of old. There is nothing conservative about blindly eating today's packaged frankenfood! It's as conservative as voting for the clean, articulate, unvetted candidate because he happens to be black.

33 posted on 05/21/2012 10:25:23 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: acapesket

I won’t eat organic crap!!!

If it isn’t raised with chemical fertalizer designed for the particular crop after soil analyss and kept insect free wirh pesticides I wont’ eat it!!

That attitude has kept me healthy for 75 years!


34 posted on 05/21/2012 10:34:36 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: acapesket

good for areas that have a short growing period....

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/2004-02-01/Earth-Sheltered-Greenhouse.aspx


35 posted on 05/21/2012 10:44:49 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: monkapotamus

You know what Monk I really can’t taste difference between organic just regular grocery fruit and veggies LOL!


36 posted on 05/22/2012 1:10:29 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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