A New Reason Why Red Meat, and Some Energy Drinks, May Be Bad for Our Heart

ScienceNOW ^ | 7 April 2013 | Jennifer Couzin-Frankel

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Once again, they neglect *which* bacteria are responsible, and without this vital information, the rest of this theory is pretty useless.

Typically, there are between 300-1000 different kinds of bacteria in the gut, and this does not include viruses, which vastly outnumber the bacteria.

Of these, just 30-40 types of bacteria take up almost all the available space.

It is known that people who tend to be very obese have a single, dominant genus of bacteria in their gut, that takes up to a third of the bacterial space, and that produces a toxin that contributes to weight gain. These are of the enterobacter genus.

It is also known that one species of bacteria dominates the lower intestine, called E. coli. Anywhere else in the body it can be dangerous or even deadly, but in the large intestine it is very helpful.

However, human beings seem to be designed to digest meat, so much so that there is very little need for bacteria to involve themselves, practically all the way to the lower intestines.

This comes back to my original point. If there is a bacteria responsible for this, what is it? If it is both unneeded and creates health problems, it should be seen as a pathogen.

If so, then some dietary changes could marginalize it, and other, better bacteria could take its place, without disruption to our lives or even our diets, in the long term.

[sauropod]

thx for posting this.

[djf]

First, I am very suspicious of all these studies that feed various animal products to rodents.

Just like the early studies that caused problems in rabbits by feeding them animal product type diets.

It’s been shown time and time again that human digestion far more closely mimics true carnivore digestion than herbivore type animals.

So we live in a society where people read these little snappy headlines then go off... “You shouldn’t eat this!!!” or “You must eat that!!” without knowing the science or history of the testing... it’s really getting mundane!

People fall off the vegan bandwagon every day because they admit they CANNOT get the essential nutrients by just eating veggies.

[goodwithagun]

I pay $4.50/lb. regardless of cut for beef. Other meats are similarly priced. Our local farmer grass feeds and does not use antibiotics or steroids. They’re making a living out of it, and I don’t mind paying a bit more for good meat. In fact, I can’t even eat meat from the grocery store any more. It is flavorless.

[count-your-change]

Once an idea seizes the mind (red meat is bad) “proof” will be found some where, some how that supports the idea.

“Red meat is considered bad news when it comes to heart health, although studies aren’t consistent about how much can hurt and whether it always does.”

[1010RD]

It’s dead, Cid.

[1010RD]

No kidding, I once went on a double blind date on a peer.

I can’t, in good conscience, recommend them.

[diamond6]

Does it have to be fancy wine? The problem is... once you open a bottle wine, it doesn’t taste so good the next day.

[WVKayaker]

The problem is... once you open a bottle wine, it doesn’t taste so good the next day.- D6

I buy cheap boxes of Merlots and Cabs. I usually have a glass or two every evening.-WVK

Most liquor or wine stores sell Peter Vella, Franzia, or other decent table wines in the 5 liter boxes. You can also find some better wines in 3 lt. boxes, but price is always a factor. I pay $15-18 for a 5 lt. They have a plastic bag inside with a tap, and the bag collapses as you take the wine from it. No bad taste. No having to kill the 750ml bottles. problem solved.

I like the Almaden Mountain Burgundy or Peter Vella Merlot, and the Franzia Cabernet Sauvignon. It takes some experimentation, but I only drink dry (not sweet) wines. More than likely, your taste will differ, but maybe not. I sometimes splurge for some better stuff, but I am not a canosewer! I just am following the doctor's orders!!!

[WVKayaker]

should read: I only drink dry RED (not sweet) wines.

[djf]

The Corbett Canyon Cabernet is pretty nice. Good and dry.

Their Merlot sucks eggs, though...

[NoGrayZone]

If I want my beef, the way it's intended to be, then yes, I would.

Have you noticed the higher prices of everything else? What you used to pay for a 16oz, is now 12 oz, same price.

If you feel paying a cheaper price for beef full of antibiotics and hormones, that's your choice. I still believe in the freedom of choice.

Your choice is yours, mine is mine.

[editor-surveyor]

The vegie-nutties love to stretch “science” with this crud.

There is a good reason why vegitarians die young, and lack of red meat is a big part of it.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Not having carnitine can be a very bad thing” <<

.
You’ve got it right!

We were designed for red meat, and do not do well without it. A balanced diet is what makes sense; not these wacky knee-jerk reactions to bad anecdotes.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Whatever happened to double blind studies and peer review?” <<

.
That crap doesn’t work out well for Vegan propaganda.

[editor-surveyor]

>> They keep saying “there is an obesity problem”. <<

.
There’s no mystery on that; it’s totally due to chronic high blood glucose. And that is mostly related to use of Margarine and poly-unsaturated oils.

Stick with butter and you’ll do well.

[WVKayaker]

The Corbett Canyon Cabernet is pretty nice. Good and dry.

I agree and also like the CC Shiraz when i want to splurge!

[editor-surveyor]

Just one caveat on the red wine: Throat cancer appears to be tied to alcohol consumption.

A little wine is good, but don’t get carried away.

[editor-surveyor]

Shiraz is just what they call Petite Sirah in Australia.

[NoGrayZone]

I LOVE my butter!