Posted on 05/31/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by opentalk
Bees have to be starving to go to corn which produces no nectar. Generally speaking, bees prefer to visit nectar producing flowers and pick up some pollen at the same time.
Organic growers spray Bt on their crops, including orchards (aka bee central) and Bt spray in orchards predates Bt corn by decades.
But it’s the Bt corn (an incidental and unimportant food source for bees) that’s killing bees.
Logic much?
Valpal1 ~:”Corn is wind pollinated. Honey bees have no interest in corn whatsoever.
The idea that Bt corn is killing bees is scientifically and common sensically stupid. “
Black Agnes ~:”Ain’t never seen a wild cornfield have sex with a bacterium.”
Free Vulcan ~:” Bees don’t pollinate corn, but they do like the tassels which I assume is them going after the pollen itself for food.
Bees will visit corn tasseling , for the pollen.
I had , back in the day , 9 hives of “3 Banded , Italian “ bees .
The bees honey did get contaminated when they brought back pollen from adjoining corn tassels. Specificly : ‘(Encapsulated) Pericap M ‘ ~ an insecticide
So yes , they will visit and bring what they think is pollen (encapsulated Preicap M ) which is then fed to the larva , and the hive dies out .
And the honey was contaminated during extraction, and had to be dumped .
The next year , the hives died out with European foulbrood,and had to be burned out by the bee inspector.
I haven’t had bees since then. The average investment in each hive is about $175 - $250 for each hive , not to mention periperal equipment.
Herbicides are used before the wheat seeds form. There is no poison in your food.
And the government intervention to provide specific immunity to Monsanto through lobbied-for legislation is a good thing, because?
It isn't. Bought law is never in the public interest. But that doesn't mean that some of the lawsuits Monsanto has been facing aren't frivolous.
Trade policy based on mindless superstition. Wheat and corn have been genetically modified by man since the dawn of human history - if the enviros really want to return to their Eden of no genetically modified food, we can pretty much throw every grain out of our diet and start digging for grubs and earthworms.
I’m not quite sure just exactly what Monsanto’s “corrupt ends” are, but the success of it’s GMO program is attributable to the fact that it provided farmers with a weed control program that was head and shoulders above anything previously available.
"Stop GMOs and the frankenfoods!"
Absolutely! No more WheatBelly in USA! Or anywhere.
Monsanto, go away!
..add MSM, blackout of GMO and Monsanto, especially TV and cable.
Monsanto,on their web site report they have not conducted safety studies of GMO and humans. Basically there is no need to. Claim they are equivalent to other crops, no different than other food, thus are safe. But are unique enough to deserve a patent.
Do you mean Pericarp Mangosteen... another ORGANIC pesticide.
Which is again, not gmo, not Bt corn.
And I assume, “back in the day” also predates GMO corn and colony collapse disorder.
My point stands. It is non scientific and non common-sensical to conflate bee die offs with gmo Bt corn.
The “Midwest” extends from about Pittsburgh to Denver. In my part of it, we’re on track for a very good year.
I tried that for a week. Lost 9 lbs and IBS abated. Think I'll do this for more weeks! Don't know how it works to get grain out but I like the personal results.
Almost all conventional and organic hybrid seed is also patented and legally, seed cannot be saved for replanting them either.
Doesn’t matter how the plant was created, new or old breeding methods, it’s still intellectual property that can be patented.
Ok. Riddle me this. If GMO is safe and pure as the driven snow. Why is it that all the elites only eat organic? The Romneys, the Bushes, Obamas, Clintons. All eat only organic.
That’s both sides of the spectrum there. Are they all crazy hippies with no judgement?
Even Mitt Romney. Refused to travel without his organic food stash. He either had good enough judgement for nearly 50% of the country to want him as president. Or he’s a wackjob following a fad. But explain those others. Are they all wackjobs following fads?
Leviticus 19:19
“you shall not sow your field with mixed seed”
Genetic hybridization between different kinds of plants and animals was apparently a characteristic of the “corruption” first mentioned in the Bible which occurred during the days of Noah. Fallen angels interbred and had half-human offspring during this time, According to extrabiblical accounts, such as the book of Enoch, these fallen angels passed themselves off as gods and taught people how to create these hybrid plants and animals.
Christ said His return and end-of-the-world judgment would happen in days resembling the days of Noah.
Because it’s expensive and exclusive and the rich like expensive and exclusive shit to set themselves apart from the great unwashed.
Occam’s Razor.
If the rich all jumped off a cliff, would you do it too? (to quote my mother).
Really? Because the penny pinching Romney we were told was rich because he was frugal just loves to throw his money away being ‘trendy’?
Really?
You could read that as telling them to mono-crop, just sayin’.
I suspect Romney’s wife is in charge of food selection, like most Mormon wives. Also, because she has MS, they probably eat organic on the better safe than sorry theory, because people with chronic illness will grasp at anything that promises relief.
And they can afford it, so why not.
Now instead of spraying our inventions on food crops, we change the genes to make the crops create our toxins themselves! No need to be concerned that the gene modifications have been found in farmers fields nearby that are not actually using the seed, thats just natural polination. But we can sue them for using patented gene mods anyway. As our modifications spread throughout the world, we will be rich as pigs!
Dear Monsanto...
Valpal1 ~:” Do you mean Pericarp Mangosteen... another ORGANIC pesticide.”
Unknown whether this is the same compound .
I am not a chemist.
Question: Bt corn ~
Answer :unknown ,I am not a botanist . I don’t know whether the hives were exposed. I beleive my hives preceed GM/Engineered crops
Question :”And I assume, “back in the day” also predates GMO corn and colony collapse disorder.”
Answer : correct
Statement: “My point stands. It is non scientific and non common-sensical to conflate bee die offs with gmo Bt corn.”
Response : Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis) is used to kill off larva and adults of many insects , flys , mosquitos, budworms, gypsy moth larvae, beetles, and other insect pests. I realize that it is found naturally in the soil and guts of many moths and catapillars.
My Question to you : Is the Bt used in ‘Bt corn’ the same found in nature , or is it the already ‘geneticly modified
(GM) form of Bt(Bacillus thuringiensis) which already exists ??
My Second Question to you : Since Monsanto assumes that the GM/Engineered crops to be safe (alledgedly ,without benefit of conducting tests), are you aware of any tests on the effect of GM/Engineered crops on bees or bee larva ?
I used to think the same. However, as I dug into the legal practices of Monsanto a picture of an evil, utterly anti free enterprise company came to light.
As far as GMO, they way they are generating these crops, the verdict is still out on their safety.
Monsanto is against ALL that Conservatives value -- freedom and respect for private property.
I ask you to read some of the legal actions taken by Monsanto against farmers. You will see an evil company that fits the Liberal ideal to a tee.
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