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The Zimmerman Verdict and Jury Nullification
Jurist ^ | August 7, 2013 | Liz Clark Rinehart, UM Law School Class of 2015

Posted on 08/07/2013 1:37:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Williams
As for the reference to infamous “All White Juries”, whites have a right and obligation to serve on juries just like everyone else.

Wasn't there a black juror who was excused by the prosecution during jury selection? I seem to recall that one black juror was dismissed for admitting to watching Fox News.

21 posted on 08/07/2013 2:05:51 PM PDT by Bob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Liz Clark Rinehart, UM Law School Class of 2015:

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22 posted on 08/07/2013 2:06:16 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Liz Clark Rinehart is just sucking up to Eric for a job IMO.


23 posted on 08/07/2013 2:09:55 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Williams

I know the cases are two seperate ones, not even in the same ballpark, but I never saw one white person dancing, screaming and taunting with the ‘not guilty’ verdict like I did with black people over the OJ verdict.

For white people, it is one case. For black people, they take a guilty verdict against a black person as a slur against their entire race.

Still scratching my head over that.


24 posted on 08/07/2013 2:10:53 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's said that jury nullification occurred frequently in the South during segregation.I'm in no position to challenge such a claim...I wasn't there.To the degree that it might have happened it surely shouldn't have.More recently...OJ was clearly jury nullification,GZ wasn't.

If the head was split,you must acquit.And they did.

25 posted on 08/07/2013 2:14:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Zimmerman has been accused of vigilantism and Stand Your Ground laws of encouraging vigilantism. Both are valid claims, but the solution to vigilante justice is not to encourage vigilante juries.

The article was an iffy piece from the get-go, but went right over the cliff there. The authoress is retarded, ser.

26 posted on 08/07/2013 2:22:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
After the jury found George Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin, many cities erupted into protests of what was perceived as a fundamentally unfair and racially-biased verdict that was the result of a broken justice system

The interesting thing is that this is a lie.

The significance of this lie (presuming this piece was not written BEFORE the verdict) is that the grievance industry wants us to BELIEVE there is great public upset over the verdict, when that is obviously and demonstrably untrue.

The dog did not bark.

27 posted on 08/07/2013 2:22:44 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

And will be an officer of the court two years hence.


28 posted on 08/07/2013 2:24:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Certain groups of blacks have created their own mythology regarding the Zimmerman case, facts, be damned.


29 posted on 08/07/2013 2:24:08 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

All of these people so upset with the Zimmerman verdict will not ever mention the idea of self-defense. It is as if there is no such thing. I guess if they are attacked they think you just cannot fight back, if you do and kill your attacker you are guilty of murder. Insanity.


30 posted on 08/07/2013 2:25:05 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Jim Noble

exactly, everything about this article is simply false and dishonest


31 posted on 08/07/2013 2:25:21 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Jim Noble
The dog did not bark.

I'm pretty aggrieved about that. I have about two tons of unsold popcorn.

32 posted on 08/07/2013 2:32:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have to make an argument for her: Her facts are incorrect, but in the end she makes a well-reasoned argument about jury-nullification:

There is no reason to believe, however, that giving juries the authority to ignore the law will achieve more just results. To the contrary, as history has shown, it will accomplish quite the opposite.

She also makes a good point about the courts becoming wildly unpredictable and unjust if nullification becomes common (which is a situation that presently exists). She can learn the facts, if she wants to, but good reasoning skills can be harder to come by. She has within her the capacity to become a first-rate attorney, if she wants to. That last part remains to be seen.

33 posted on 08/07/2013 2:39:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Tammy8

It does give you a nice litmus test you can use in your daily life: If they think Zimmerman should have been sent down the river, then they don’t think *you* have the right to defend yourself, either. Think about that. That puts them on the side of needing to be kept in the dark about your carrying status.


34 posted on 08/07/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Tammy8
All of these people so upset with the Zimmerman verdict will not ever mention the idea of self-defense

The thing is, the REALLY important thing, is that there are not "all those people" so upset. It's like those old war movies where the five survivors move around and make lots of noise so as to seem like a company.

The whites are not upset. The blacks know very well who and what Trayvon was.

Only the "leaders" are pretending to be upset - and nobody's following.

35 posted on 08/07/2013 2:52:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: donmeaker
Zimmerman ought not have left his truck and attempted to see where the suspicious person went. Zimmerman is not entirely innocent.

What's happened since we've been hearing this?

Case 1: 2 14 yr old boys, followed a kidnapper on their bicycles, with the kidnapper dumping his little girl victim out on the street and taking off. The boys (black) were hailed as heroes. What did they do differently from Zimmerman? Arguably, it was more dangerous. They were unarmed. They followed a violent kidnapper driving a car, not just a suspicious person on foot, who had not committed any crime up to that point at that location.

Case 2: a 64 yr old man is being charged with child endangerment for NOT intervening when 3 perps, 15 yr old blacks are beating the crap out of a 15 yr vic (white). He followed the new Zimmerman Doctrine, don't get involved and call the cops. Bingo!

Lesson: Do anything to demonize George Zimmerman. Logic, rationality, common sense must all be thrown out, even by wet behind the ears Class of 2015 law students.

The author should be really revolutionary and defend Zimmerman and defend Stand Your Ground, instead of going along with the crowd. Son, stupid and sheeplike is no way to go through life. Try thinking.

36 posted on 08/07/2013 3:17:19 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (The Stupid Party, they've earned it.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

“Zimmerman ought not have left his truck and attempted to see where the suspicious person went.”

When did that become a crime?

He would have won the trial even in New York State, because he couldn’t retreat when Travon on him. Only once the assault occurred would he have had an obligation to retreat in New York, and in this case it was impossible.


37 posted on 08/07/2013 3:23:39 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Jeff Chandler

And here I was concerned that I would have no Assclown input to my day. I am glad that that has been resolved.


38 posted on 08/07/2013 3:27:46 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Among those protesting that Zimmerman should be punished, some admitted that the flaw was actually found within the Florida law which departs significantly from the common law by allowing individuals who initiate confrontations to use deadly force to defend themselves without a duty to escape.

There are times I wish that I had the ability to grab people like this around the throat and scream into their face, "George Zimmerman did not initiate the confrontation with Trayvon Martin! It was Trayvon who initiated the confrontation! George Zimmerman was ONLY attempting to visually locate the suspicious person, when Martin approached him!"

39 posted on 08/07/2013 3:38:18 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

She also makes a good point about the courts becoming wildly unpredictable and unjust if nullification becomes common (which is a situation that presently exists).


You write this as if it is a bad thing for juries to refuse to convict a defendant of violating an unjust law.

As late as the 1950s the Supreme Court wrote that a jury has both the right and the obligation to adjudge both the offense and the law itself; this is the third box which acts as a check on out of control governments (soap box, voting box, jury box, cartridge box).

As I recall, Prohibition (the 18th amendment) was repealed in part because prosecutors decided that prosecuting the suppliers of alcohol was ineffective, so they went after the demand by arresting people who drank alcohol; and juries then refused to convict them.

The only reason that more people are not acquitted of drug offenses is that judges now excuse from jury pools anyone who even knows what “jury nullification” means (which violates the right to a jury of your peers).


40 posted on 08/07/2013 3:48:43 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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