Posted on 10/20/2013 3:50:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Yes there are always exceptions.
In the insane world that we live in, it’s a good bet that there will one day be a law that it’s illegal to abort a gay baby.
Yes, I know there’s no gay gene and none will ever be discovered, but that doesn’t change the radical crazies.
The monozygotic twin studies for male homosexuality done so far indicate there is a weekly heritable component, but it cannot be determinative since many identical twins do not share homosexuaal preferences.
So for females, we are not going to find any gene. For males, we might find one (or more) genes causing predisposition. Are parents going to abort their children on the basis of a possible disposition? Well, some states have left them with no choice, since they will not be permitted to administer any type of cognitive or behavioral therapy once the child is born.
In light of the evidence we have so far, that homosexuality is mostly a learned behavior (entirely learned in the case of lesbians) here is a far more important question: eventually someone (probably in Russia, China, or another advanced society where homosexuality is still considered undesirable) is going to develop a pharmacological solution to male homosexual predisposition. Will American parents be allowed to give their child that chemical, or not?
So far, the evidence is pretty strong that they will not.
For some reason homosexuals will always want their children to be males; likewise lesbians will always want female children.
I'm not sure sexual orientation comes from early family life. I'm informed there's a cluster of factors that tend to nudge a young person in that direction; pretty sure also that there's a lot more going on that we don't understand yet.
It's inaccurate and unjust to blame good, caring, decent fathers and mothers for homosexual offspring.
And none of this "forces" or "requires" a person to actually commit sodomy. That's behavior; conduct; a choice; it's another thing altogether.
• Chinese researchers found blocking serotonin in female mice caused them to prefer sniffing and mounting females
• Researchers believe the chemical could be part of 'chemical chain' that determines our sexual preference
I have seen it many times. Parents are very conscientious for the first children, the consistency starts to wear down as they get older. Parents start to drop the ball and take their eye off the prize. The rules become lax and the child starts to experiment with people and things foreign to the others.
You can greatly increase the chances of having a troubled child if you raise them poorly.
You make a point, but it’s true that celebrities tend to not be at home a heck of a lot.
“A discussion that starts with an impossible premise reveals a lot about the people discussing it, but doesn’t generate much light in terms of usable ethics.”
If you actually believe the question about choosing sex of one’s child to be “an impossible premise” may I suggest you have arrived at that point in ones intellectual life known as ‘premise revision’ time.
Control of our heredity is going to happen, sooner than you think.
Sooner than a friend of mine thought, and he had a Nobel in physics and had successfully switched to genetic engineering and founded one of the two leading labs in that field. We were talking progress in inter-species gene splicing while sitting on an airboat out in the interior of the Everglades.
He guessed the human DNA chain would be sequenced in his daughter’s lifetime (She was 15 at the time). As this was in 1980/81, clearly neither of us gave sufficient weight to the asymtotic curve of knowledge, as it has been sequenced for some years.
Count on Dr. StrangeLove’s Handy_Dandy_Gene_Lab opening up sooner than we will be prepared to make wise choices.
And choose we shall be forced to do - or our offspring will be left in the dust by those with “designer genes” and I am not referring to clothing.
Probably a stereotype but Lesbians never seem to like men. They even seem to “hate” men. I have known a couple of lesbian couples and they always seem to avoid me. My wife, no. And I am always friendly. Rose O’Donnell doesn't like men. She even had a bad relationship with her father.
Surprised that this has never been considered.
But the premise is, that if there is some factor that can be detected prenatally (e.g. uterine environment-- they say a pregnant woman's exposure to progesterone or to anabolic steroids can cause deviations in the male child she is carrying , for instance) would the pro-LGBT's be against selectively aborting the baby?
This author here is abortion-choice all the way, even if it expresses a lethal prejudice against the survival of "pre-homosexual" children. I think that's strange.
And repellent.
The impossible premise to which I referred is choosing the “sexual orientation” of one’s children.
Not even identical twins have exactly the same environment conditions. Family order can determine character traits which can lead to major differences between siblings. Peer acceptance is major too. Nurture and environment can never be separated.
Attachment Theory decides the mental, and even the physical health of children to a large extent. Studies on foster children prove it, as do all studies on adult deviance which pinpoint addictions and dysfunctional behaviors to abuse in early childhood.
Now they say that most addictions are caused from emotional abuse in early childhood-—that the inability to turn off those “stress” regulators——which only is done by adults in the first few years of life because of helplessness—if adults neglected their cries/emotional needs (touch) that their stress levels constantly elevates affects the limbic area of the brain. Children who are neglected have emotional issues that are easily noticed by early ages-—and if no therapy, they will become worse—and addicts. Without love and nurture, it is impossible for children to be able to be self-regulatory—to control their emotions without drugs-—which is a learned ability. All Virtue is learned and habituated....it is not innate. All humans need love in early life and need to learn empathy—or they will not be “human”. All is learned.
Sexual identity formation is fixated with abuse and emotional belittling-—which is trickier in boys since they have to break away from the mother to re-identify with their father when they discover they are male. That is easy to warp-—like with the homosexual Samurai-—or boys in Afghanistan-—who are in harems-—it is easy to warp perceptions in children. Sexualization of children destroys normal sexual identity formation. Sex Ed was a Marxist construct to collapse Christianity and Western Civ. It corrupts their innocence which is necessary for dignity and respect of opposite sex. Without awe and mystery—there is no dignity—man is reduced to animal. There is no “homosexual” gene. It is an immature fixation in Latency-—usually from sexual abuse like with Chastity Bono and Harry Hay—but emotional/peer abuse can warp perceptions of self and desires also. Sometimes the emotional abuse is worse and more destructive than actual physical abuse.
I always laugh at the idea that homosexuality isn’t “learned”-—it is like saying that baby rapers were born with this “desire” to rape babies. It is such a lie-—it is childhood abuse which creates such sick “desires”/”fixations”. That is all it is. The sex instinct is so powerful that when it is warped in childhood it does severe damage-—like with all the Serial Killers who are/were sexual perverts.
It is a “learned” situation from the earliest interactions with adults who are supposed to care for them.....detached, abusive parents almost always create dysfunctional deviant children, unless they have an adult who interferes and rescues them.
There is certainly a correlation between lesbianism and depression. A causes B? or B causes A? or C causes both A and B? I don't know.
A little Wittenstienian logic.
If a little boy says “I think I am really a dog” and then tries to constantly act like a dog, not just in play but because he actually believes he is a dog we say he is psychotic
If a little boys “I think I am really a girl” we........
Same problem. Same issue different response. To claim that homosexuality is not a form of psychosis is illogical
Thanks DriftDiver.
I think you’ve pretty well nailed down my position on this. We’re in agreement here.
I’ve noticed that as well. I think it’s human nature. The first few months you own a new car, you want a shield around it that’s about ten feet thick at it’s closest point to the car.
As time goes by, that changes.
I know it’s somewhat of a stretch, but it’s somewhat the same dynamic with kids. For your first ones, you’re sure you need to intervene every second of their life. By the time you’ve had two or more, you start to realize it doesn’t take that sort of over-control.
I’m not saying you should let your kid do whatever they want, but even with a very controlled environment, you can only do so much.
Just because homosexuals threatened psychiatrists to remove homosexuality off the DSM list of disorders doesn’t mean we should support such a unhealthy, dangerous, and immoral behavior. We have gone completely mad. The New Left pushed homosexuality as a means to destroy the establishment and it is an effective tactic of theirs.
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