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Conservatives Blame GOP Betrayal for Cuccinelli's Loss
Atlantic Wire ^ | 11/6/13 | ALLIE JONES

Posted on 11/06/2013 11:48:56 AM PST by jimbo123

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To: diamond6

It is not our party but the party leaders who are against us. We need to dump them ASAP.


41 posted on 11/06/2013 4:33:10 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: jimbo123

These commies best find a deep, deep hole to crawl into because when the patriot storm descends on them not many leftists will survive.


42 posted on 11/06/2013 6:27:18 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: rstrahan

Great idea! Going to copy you!


43 posted on 11/07/2013 10:24:39 AM PST by samsmom
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To: staytrue

It’s interesting to read the debates on DU about the “50 state” strategy. The idea of contesting everywhere, even if it seems to be unwinnable was in interesting one; it forces the other party to fight everywhere and there is always a chance that the other candidate in even an apparently unwinnable election blows up somehow.

It’s also the EXACT same debate on FR and DU : do we go with a DNC/RINO or a true ideolog. It’s been going on as long as factions have vied for elections- the person with a greater chance of winning or the person whose values match yours. I think it’s why Reagan is so revered, as is FDR for the Democrats.


44 posted on 11/07/2013 11:14:42 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I do not like either the 50 state strategy used by the DNC or the targeted strategy currently employed by the NRC.

I think if you have a good candidate, you fund them well enough to get the message out. If the candidate is an inarticulate boob like Hoffman in NY 23, you don’t fund that candidate.

Basically, my theory is you can lose an election with a good candidate with a lack of money and that should never happen.

But if your candidate is really good, he needs just enough to compete and he will still win even if outspent by a large margin.

My theory is just fund well spoken candidates without skeletons in the closet who are of good character and the winning and losing will take care of itself.


45 posted on 11/07/2013 1:02:38 PM PST by staytrue
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To: RedStateRocker

Oh and thanks for making a post that is not “f the rinos” or “f the (fill in the blank with the person of your choice)” post.


46 posted on 11/07/2013 1:04:53 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

You’re welcome.

It’s always an interesting debate (and again, the same ideas and often language on left and right) - is a ‘RINO’ better or worse than a Democrat? Which can actually do more damage? Hillary is *LOATHED* by a lot of Democrats who will vote for her if she wins the nomination, believe me; my Dem friends are Grayson and Warren fans- but some would rather have a President Cruz than Hillary since it would be much easier to rally opposition.


47 posted on 11/07/2013 2:52:52 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: staytrue
Here is the deal. All the polling indicated that any money put into this race would have been wasted. Turns out the poll may have been wrong, but for the most part, money goes where the polls indicate a winnable race and that was not the case here.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! Cuccinelli was down double digits. If McDonnell had been down double digits, would the RNC have thrown $9m into the race? No need to guess what McDonnell's poll numbers were:

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample McDonnell (R) Deeds (D) Spread
Final Results -- -- 58.7 41.2 McDonnell +17.5
RCP Average 10/26 - 11/1 -- 54.6 41.2 McDonnell +13.4
SurveyUSA 10/30 - 11/1 574 LV 58 40 McDonnell +18
PPP (D) 10/31 - 11/1 1457 LV 56 42 McDonnell +14
Times-Dispatch/MD 10/28 - 10/29 625 LV 53 41 McDonnell +12
Rasmussen Reports 10/27 - 10/27 1000 LV 54 41 McDonnell +13
Daily Kos/R2000 10/26 - 10/28 600 LV 54 44 McDonnell +10
Suffolk University 10/26 - 10/28 400 LV 54 40 McDonnell +14
SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/26 502 LV 58 41 McDonnell +17
Roanoke College 10/21 - 10/27 569 LV 53 36 McDonnell +17
PPP (D) 10/23 - 10/26 729 LV 55 40 McDonnell +15
Washington Post 10/22 - 10/25 1206 LV 55 44 McDonnell +11
VCU 10/21 - 10/25 625 LV 54 36 McDonnell +18
SurveyUSA 10/17 - 10/19 595 LV 59 40 McDonnell +19
Clarus Research 10/18 - 10/19 605 LV 49 41 McDonnell +8
PPP (D) 10/16 - 10/19 666 LV 52 40 McDonnell +12
Rasmussen Reports 10/12 - 10/12 750 LV 50 43 McDonnell +7
Virginian-Pilot/CNU 10/8 - 10/13 506 LV 45 31 McDonnell +14
Times-Dispatch/MD 10/6 - 10/8 625 LV 48 40 McDonnell +8
Washington Post 10/5 - 10/7 1001 LV 53 44 McDonnell +9
SurveyUSA 10/2 - 10/4 608 LV 54 43 McDonnell +11
Rasmussen Reports 9/29 - 9/29 500 LV 51 42 McDonnell +9
SurveyUSA 9/26 - 9/29 631 LV 55 41 McDonnell +14
PPP (D) 9/25 - 9/28 576 LV 48 43 McDonnell +5
InsiderAdvantage 9/23 - 9/23 602 RV 48 44 McDonnell +4
Washington Post 9/14 - 9/17 1003 LV 51 47 McDonnell +4
Rasmussen Reports 9/16 - 9/16 500 LV 48 46 McDonnell +2
Daily Kos/R2000 9/14 - 9/16 600 LV 50 43 McDonnell +7
Clarus Research 9/10 - 9/14 600 RV 42 37 McDonnell +5
SurveyUSA 9/1 - 9/3 611 LV 54 42 McDonnell +12
Rasmussen Reports 9/1 - 9/1 500 LV 51 42 McDonnell +9
PPP (D) 8/28 - 8/31 596 LV 49 42 McDonnell +7
Washington Post 8/11 - 8/14 LV 54 39 McDonnell +15
Rasmussen Reports 8/10 - 8/10 500 LV 49 41 McDonnell +8
Daily Kos/R2000 8/3 - 8/5 600 LV 51 43 McDonnell +8
PPP (D) 7/31 - 8/3 579 LV 51 37 McDonnell +14
SurveyUSA 7/27 - 7/28 526 LV 55 40 McDonnell +15
Rasmussen Reports 7/14 - 7/14 500 LV 44 41 McDonnell +3
PPP (D) 6/30 - 7/2 617 LV 49 43 McDonnell +6
Daily Kos/R2000 6/15 - 6/17 600 LV 45 44 McDonnell +1
Rasmussen 6/10 - 6/10 500 LV 41 47 Deeds +6
SurveyUSA 6/5 - 6/7 1685 RV 47 43 McDonnell +4
Daily Kos/R2000 6/1 - 6/3 600 LV 46 34 McDonnell +12
SurveyUSA 5/31 - 6/2 1701 RV 44 43 McDonnell +1
Daily Kos/R2000 5/18 - 5/20 600 LV 45 32 McDonnell +13
SurveyUSA 5/17 - 5/19 1692 RV 46 40 McDonnell +6
SurveyUSA 4/25 - 4/27 1396 RV 44 39 McDonnell +5
Rasmussen Reports 4/15 - 4/15 500 LV 45 30 McDonnell +15
Daily Kos/R2000 4/6 - 4/8 600 LV 38 31 McDonnell +7
Rasmussen Reports 2/4 - 2/4 500 LV 39 30 McDonnell +9
Rasmussen Reports 12/4 - 12/4 500 LV 39 39 Tie
(After October 18 partisan affiliated polls will not be added to Election 2009 RCP Poll Averages.)



48 posted on 11/08/2013 5:03:50 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

So if a conservative is down in the poles the RNC pulls out. If a RINO is down in the polls the RNC spends more money. I get it.


49 posted on 11/08/2013 5:07:41 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
So if a conservative is down in the poles the RNC pulls out. If a RINO is down in the polls the RNC spends more money. I get it.

If you examine the table I provided above, it should be clear that Bob McDonnell was almost never down in the polls, let alone by double digits. Do you recall a specific instance where a RINO was down double digits and the RNC threw good money after bad? Note that McAuliffe wasn't personally a zillionaire, but as former head of the DNC and someone tight with the Clintons, he had the contacts and political resources of a zillionaire. If the RNC had matched McAuliffe dollar for dollar, it would have had far less money to assist in other less expensive races around the country.

50 posted on 11/08/2013 5:35:03 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Ok, why didn’t RNC money get pulled from NJ and sent to VA? Are you REALLY defending the RNC? Really?


51 posted on 11/08/2013 5:38:45 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The RinoNC, the MSM and the Donkeys are all enemies of conservatism. So which side are you on?


52 posted on 11/08/2013 5:40:18 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Ok, why didn’t RNC money get pulled from NJ and sent to VA? Are you REALLY defending the RNC? Really?

The RNC can defend itself. They certainly have enough paid flacks on the payroll. I am merely pointing out that Cuccinelli, while overall a good guy, may be the kind of guy who blames everyone but himself for his defeats. It's not the worst character defect ever, but it means his beatification is a little premature.

53 posted on 11/08/2013 6:11:17 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I live here, the unanswered personal McAllSlime TV radio onslaught all summer and fall was hard to take. On general principles the RNC should have stepped in. It made the Republican brand look TOTALLY ineffective. It WAS a money issue. There will be bad coattails from this misguided and shameful RNC tactic. It really woke me up to the RNC, I knew it was bad but not HOW bad it really was and still is. The RNC IS THE ENEMY too.


54 posted on 11/08/2013 6:17:53 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I live here, the unanswered personal McAllSlime TV radio onslaught all summer and fall was hard to take. On general principles the RNC should have stepped in. It made the Republican brand look TOTALLY ineffective. It WAS a money issue. There will be bad coattails from this misguided and shameful RNC tactic. It really woke me up to the RNC, I knew it was bad but not HOW bad it really was and still is. The RNC IS THE ENEMY too.

It was a real heartbreaker, and I was following the returns right up to the point the Cuccinelli started falling behind. Stuff happens. Here's the RNC's defense - that Steele spent a ton of unnecessary money on McDonnell's 2009 race that put the RNC in hock until 2011. Look at Steele's resume, I'd guess that being from Maryland, he chose to spend more money on candidates in his home region who would be in a position to help him out once he was done with politics. Hence the $9m on McDonnell and $3m for Christie in 2009 (whose media market is ranked #1 in cost compared to DC's #9).

Republican National Committee allies are offering an interesting defense to critics saying the campaign committee could have done more to help the Virginia gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli: Blame former RNC chairman Michael Steele.

Steele dropped a staggering $9 million in 2009 into Governor Bob McDonnell’s race despite the fact that McDonnell never trailed in a single poll.

“In my opinion, it was just frivolous spending,” says a Republican source close to the campaign in Virginia. “We were paying off that race in 2011 when we should have been getting ready for the presidential,” the source says. “It handcuffed us.”

Contrast the $9 million figure with the 2005 Virginia’s governors race, when the RNC spent $1.1 million to help Jerry Kilgore, who lost to Democrat Tim Kaine by about six points.

Another data point is the New Jersey gubernatorial race in 2009, when the RNC spent around $3 million to help now-governor Chris Christie — about the same amount it spent on Cuccinelli, but in a more expensive state.


55 posted on 11/08/2013 6:35:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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