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The Problem With Libertarians
Townhall.com ^ | November 7, 2013 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 11/07/2013 4:59:55 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Daveinyork
The hate-mongering in this thread shows that the GOP is truly dead, killed by its own hand, and in rigor mortis.

On the one hand they believe the libertarians owe their votes to republicrats like McRomney. Then the proceed to call libertarians every name in the book, insult libertarians, and prepare to blame us for the loss of the next McRomney, Krispy Creampuff.

Winning hearts and minds with insults won't work.

21 posted on 11/07/2013 5:36:18 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Notary Sojac

With people like you it is no wonder we are becoming the minority party. Come back when your party wins


22 posted on 11/07/2013 5:37:04 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

I'm so glad you asked.

It also means and promoting baby-killers and the P/M child molesters (who want smaller government)

23 posted on 11/07/2013 5:37:08 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: palmer

The moral decay in America is caused by childish narcissism. The size of government is only a symptom of the me me me-ness that saturates our culture.

We’ve become a nation of overaged boys and little girls.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 5:37:28 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Conservative_Rob

I very much think a lot of us on the Right are going to remember this the next time they tell us “but you HAVE to vote GOP - do you want the Democrats to win ???”

Well, to quote Her Thighness:

“At this point, what difference does it make ??”


25 posted on 11/07/2013 5:38:19 AM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: deks

Yep, damned idiots. It’s brought MUCH shame on CATO (even tho this was not a CATO pac) - and on Crane himself. Inside the beltway, it will soil his legacy forever.

And what is this “socially intoleratn” bullshit? Cooch is not that. Never used his political office as such.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 5:39:14 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Also, being a social conservative does not preclude one from being a libertarian. I think they are the same philosophy - individual freedom and individual responsibility.


27 posted on 11/07/2013 5:40:06 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork

I hear you, but you have to admit: Some folks who call themselves libertarian are dumb as a box of rocks. Not all, of course, but some.


28 posted on 11/07/2013 5:40:11 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Daveinyork

As the article says, many claim the label now that have no understanding of what it means to be libertarian. Neal Boortz did a lot to confuse people, claiming he was one, when he clearly was not consistently libertarian by any stretch.

His anti religious rants, his joining of the smoking nazi craze, and his pro regulation stances proved it over and over…..


29 posted on 11/07/2013 5:41:55 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Kaslin

I became disgusted with libertarians when I was active with the Young Americans for Freedom in the 1970’s. They were mostly interested in removing all restrictions on abortion, gambling, prostitution, pornography and especially narcotics, and they were always trying to get YAF to go on record in support of these causes. They would proclaim over and over that “we are NOT conservatives; We are libertarians,” yet they kept trying to take over YAF—they even tried to revise YAF’s founding document, the Sharon Statement, which defines the organization as conservative when it states, “we as young conservatives...” However, within YAF, they never amounted to more than a small but noisy minority.


30 posted on 11/07/2013 5:42:52 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: sickoflibs

One Who Knows
Bad Joe


31 posted on 11/07/2013 5:43:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Fiji Hill

Libertarians have a lot to offer and they have clarity on a lot of issues, but I share your disdain. In fact, I think the mentality is just another variety of immaturity that we see at the basis of many white liberals.


32 posted on 11/07/2013 5:44:09 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: greene66
I just can’t have any respect for, or interest in what people say, when their all-consuming passion involves zonking their brains into orbit.

Consider the possibility that people are against your nanny state war on drugs, not to get high but because the war on drugs destroyed the 4th amendment, militarized the police and ultimately made cheaper, more potent and more readily available drugs by empowering huge criminal enterprises.

Win some more hearts and minds with insults. Lose some more elections by alienating 80% allies. Then feel good because your failed drug war well, makes you feel good.

33 posted on 11/07/2013 5:46:00 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Kaslin

Savris is not a libertarian. He was purposely implanted by the Obama machine so Cuccinelli would lose.


34 posted on 11/07/2013 5:46:03 AM PST by TejanoJim
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To: Notary Sojac
And that is why we are losers. All factions of the GOP are now engaged in the stupidity of my way or the highway. GOPe, Libertarians, Tea Partiers all act as rank immature amateurs when it comes to the art of politics. The other side march in lock step and play chess with elections. They play to win. The Democrats do not play with all their cards in full view like we do. We like to lead with our chin. We are beginning to like losing. It makes us all feel fuzzy inside. We all see this fault as somehow being the other guy, when we all are guilty, including the author. He is right for the most part, but he is just as guilty. Until we wake up and start playing this game with an insatiable desire to win, whatever it takes on a national basis, then we are doomed to lose. The Democrats have nothing to worry about. The difference between us now and us in the 1980’s is not the issues so much, but the desire to win. Back then we had the swagger.
35 posted on 11/07/2013 5:46:50 AM PST by gusty
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Neal Boortz

Boortz is a baby-killing packerphile. (by his own words)

36 posted on 11/07/2013 5:48:01 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Daveinyork

69 months of driving the unclean from their temple and then 3 months of begging for their vote. And shock at the results.


37 posted on 11/07/2013 5:49:32 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Old Sarge

same here. Take legalizing drugs out of the equation and they’re democrats masquerading.


38 posted on 11/07/2013 5:53:35 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: warchild9
There are two types of voters for big government, the moochers who actually don't vote much expect in all black precincts (likely with some fraud). The others are the suburban liberals who believe that Wall St wealth is evil and only the Democrats stand up for the middle class. It's true that their TV-addled brains have turned somewhat childlike, but the real problem is their laziness and stupidity. They readily swallow any factoid about evil corporatins or republicans or "the rich" without doing a bit of research. They can be swayed to be angry against Democrats and vote them out but only temporarily and only due to their tendency to use emotion instead of reason.

One of the main reasons they are so stupid is the federal leviathan. That includes Head Start, the service economy forcing women into work, "special" ed, drugs for kids, waste and inefficiency from federal mandates cutting into actual education and the general elimination of family and local control.

39 posted on 11/07/2013 5:55:10 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Daveinyork

Wrong.

The impulse behind the tea party is Constitutionalism, period. Any attempts to conflate the tea party to Libertarianism is only found in those of the Libertarian party to hang on for the ride. This latest debacle shows this especially when you listen to the Texas Libertarian group leader who sent $150K to McCauliff. At the end of every question answered by him came the expected issue of legalization of all drugs for whatever use; the idiot who believes in such is obviously on.

If he wants to wander around in la-la land, great, just lock himself up so he does not infringed on my rights of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness because he is too stupid to realize his actions affect anyone around him in a willing capacity or not.

He said he was once a Republican but he never said in any way he was a Constitutionalist. He just found a convenient horse to ride to advance his agenda, to his ultimate detriment, along with the rest of us he is dragging into the morass.

Their issue was legalization of drugs, not smaller and extremely limited government, unless legalization of drugs is attached to it.

As for the GOP establishment, it is nothing more than shades of grey when considering Constitutionalism. We see all these hearings from them on all of the countless Obama scandals and even with obvious perjury committed daily in those high and might halls, nobody is being held accountable. The reason is the GOP just cannot wait until they might, for some unknown reason, think they will ever get control of the wheel again to use just as it was used against them.

I supported Rubio mightily but will not do so going forward. It is not that he lied to us about immigration, he lied to us from his heart, not a prepared written speech by some staffer. He didn’t have flunky staffers when he was campaigning before he won the primary, because of the tea party support.

A pox on all their houses. There are the exceptional few, but as long as Carl Rove and his acolytes control the GOP, nothing will change, except for the letter in parentheses next to the leaders names when making public recorded appearances.


40 posted on 11/07/2013 5:56:04 AM PST by mazda77
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