MSNBC's Farrow: 'Thanksgiving: Because Genocide Is a Lot More Festive 392 Years After the Fact'

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[Caipirabob]

Hey Ronan...Your mother...Woody Alan.

Your mother...Woody Alan.

Your mother...Woody Alan.

Your mother...Woody Alan.

Soon-Yi.

Your father, Frank Sinatra would smack you right up the head, boy.

[Dust in the Wind]

If you or they can not find a set of handy scales I can’t imagine the truck over 12K tare and the trailer at around 2.5-3.5K tare.

[raccoonradio]

tweet I saw:
People, don’t be so hard on @ronanfarrow. We shouldn’t expect much from the son of a pedophile. BTW, what does he call Soon Yi? Mom or Sis?

[JoeFromSidney]

It's worth remembering that with the possible exception of East Africa, where the human race apparently originated, every nation on Earth was settled by immigrants. People don't grow up out of the soil, they originally come from somewhere else. The American Indians are the descendants of immigrants, just as are the rest of us living here.

It's also worth remembering the difference between hunter/gatherers and farmers. A population that depends on hunting and gathering can exist only with a low population density. It takes a lot of area to feed a hunter/gatherer. By contrast, it takes a much smaller area to feed a farmer, and farming populations can have a much higher population density. A hunger/gatherer will look at the territory and consider it full. When the farmers arrive, they look at the same territory and consider it empty. That's basically what happened when Europeans arrived in North America.

There are probably more Indians alive in North America than there were in 1492. The survivors of the alleged genocide have a much higher standard of living than they would have had if the Europeans had never shown up. They should be grateful for the technology and the ideas of freedom and human rights that came along with the Europeans.

[staytrue]

Pre European invasion it is estimated that 20 million indians lived in the USA.

Now, at 1% of US population, about 3 million live here.

No matter how you slice it, the Indian population has declined while the world population has increased maybe ten fold over the same time period.

And most americans STILL WANT TO SAY THE EUROPEAN MIGRATION WAS GOOD FOR THE INDIANS.

from wiki:

“The population figure for Indigenous peoples in the Americas before the 1492 voyage of Christopher Columbus has proven difficult to establish. Scholars rely on archaeological data and written records from settlers from the Old World. Most scholars writing at the end of the 19th century estimated the pre-Columbian population at about 10 million; by the end of the 20th century the scholarly consensus had shifted to about 50 million”

also from wiki:

“Indian Americans are citizens of the United States of Indian ancestry and comprise about 3.18 million people, or about 1.0% of the U.S. population”

[staytrue]

“It’s worth remembering that with the possible exception of East Africa, where the human race apparently originated, every nation on Earth was settled by immigrants.”

OK, but it is worth remembering the two big recent and well documented extinction level events were the Jews in Europe and the Indians in America.

[Shadowstrike]

you got that all right.

I just get sick of the “Evil White People” destroyed the peaceful, Native Americans.. It makes ALL of my Ancestors sick, both Indian and White.

[Shadowstrike]

and the Indians of the time STILL slaughtered and enslaved more than any Spanish Conquistadors thought of doing. Facts are Facts, you just won’t get a single tribe to admit it. Not even my own.

[Zhang Fei]

Most scholars writing at the end of the 19th century estimated the pre-Columbian population at about 10 million; by the end of the 20th century the scholarly consensus had shifted to about 50 million

I think the 50m estimate is nonsensical. A Stone Age hunter gatherer culture that hadn't invented the wheel was able to sustain a population of 50m, which was roughly China's population around the 15th century? The contrast between China, which has roughly the same land area, and the Indian tribes was night and day. China's agricultural technology was highly optimized and the land was mostly cleared, whereas most of North America was forest and uncleared prairie when white settlers arrived.

[Zhang Fei]

Another important aspect of China’s large (50m) 15th century population was the existence of a (more or less) unitary empire, which suppressed the internecine warfare that kept population numbers outside of China low (mainly due to war-related famine). In the US, there was no Indian nation as such - the native inhabitants fought for resources back and forth, without any single tribe managing to impose its will for any significant length of time and putting an end to these battles.

[x]

We really need to stop paying so much attention to idiots like this.

They’re not going to wise up and we have far better things to do.

Amen.

[hlmencken3]

Heck, American Indians didn’t even have horses until 1500AD.

Ten million seems too high. Fifty million is laughable.

[Zhang Fei]

Heck, American Indians didn’t even have horses until 1500AD. Ten million seems too high. Fifty million is laughable.

Without domesticated cattle or horses, both of which were European imports or the plow (unknown to the Indians prior to contact with white settlers), I don't see how the Indians sustained an agricultural base capable of feeding millions of people.