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Chase-ing Bitcoin: Is JPM Preparing To Unveil Its Own Electronic Currency?
Zero Hedge ^ | 10 December, 2013 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 12/10/2013 9:42:46 AM PST by Errant

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To: Errant

I’m interested in seeing alternatives to the dollar which are convertible to dollars.

If they were linked to gold or silver or some basket of minerals, better.

If they allowed anonymous transactions, like cash, better yet. The advantage of cash transactions is that they don’t leave a record if you don’t want one. The problem with cash is carrying large amounts with the accompanying security issues (you can be robbed). A currency that allows the advantage of cash and solves the portability and security problems of cash would take over the world. And probably be outlawed the same day.


21 posted on 12/10/2013 12:17:53 PM PST by marron
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Just saw this posted on Zero Hedge:


22 posted on 12/10/2013 12:20:41 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Whoever launches such a system as Bitcoin keep this in mind.

Bitcoin is a Scam


23 posted on 12/10/2013 12:22:08 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: marron
I’m interested in seeing alternatives to the dollar which are convertible to dollars.

I try and adjust my investment views to consider the degree to which everything is an alternative to dollars, yet convertible to dollars. Stocks? Will they do well if the dollar crashes? Natural gas futures? How will they do relative to the dollar? The chickens in my back yard?

24 posted on 12/10/2013 12:22:59 PM PST by PGR88
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To: marron
I'm pretty sure you can create a print out of a certain amount of Bitcoin and trim it so that it fits your wallet. You would then only have to present it for scanning into some else's virtual wallet.

Some chat on Bitcointalk.org about some ways of getting physical.

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=6149.0%3ball

25 posted on 12/10/2013 12:27:13 PM PST by Errant
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To: VideoDoctor
"The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind"
26 posted on 12/10/2013 12:34:41 PM PST by Errant
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To: PGR88

I try to do the same and try to diversify.


27 posted on 12/10/2013 12:35:28 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Bitcoin is a Scam

Great article here about bitcoin price fixing.

The article points out this valuation using the size of the bitcoin economy and a reasonable monetary velocity is at most $4 per bitcoin.

“: As pointed out by Jon Matonis and others, Automattic’s WordPress bitcoin revenue turned out to be not representative. The BitPay clearinghouse has an annual bitcoin-economy turnover of about 60 million USD equivalent. That changes the ballpark utility valuation of one bitcoin to (60M+22M) / 1.67 / 11.7M = about four US dollars. The revised data still supports the conclusion strongly.]”

$4 per bitcoin! bitcoin trades in the $140s.

(Btw, this math is very similar to what I used several months ago to show bitcoin is too valuable to be used as money. I also came to similar conclusions about what needs to happen to the value of bitcoin if it is to be successful.  )

 But the real meat of this article is where it becomes clear the market is being manipulated.
“In Step 1 of the cycle, the shark squad makes a large buyup, causing prices to skyrocket. Illustrated here, the buyup at 10:00 European time on Thursday September 12, 2013, from USD 135 to 145.9, an instant 8-percent increase. This causes a lot of downward-betting traders to flush out.
 
In step 2, the shark squad reverses this trend by causing a slow pullback, causing those who bought in greed to sell off in panic as the market has reversed and causing more stop losses to trigger and people to sell to the squad‘s bids. Note that I write causes a pullback – this is not a normal market pullback. Let’s look at the big picture first as displayed by the sitebitcoinwisdom, which displays much more detail than most sites. You can see the pullback over Thursday lunch-to-afternoon (blue box, right half), and there is also a display of the current order book (yellow box) and the recent transactions (red box) which we will look at shortly. Note how the recent transactions in the indicated red box are all red, red, red, indicating a massive selloff – there’s nobody buying at all on cursory inspection, only selling, and a lot of selling.
 
However, let’s take a closer look at the minute details of the recent transactions in the bottom right corner, displaying time, price, and amount of the last bitcoin transactions:
 
Do you see a pattern here? All the transactions are for exactly one bitcoin, and the transactions are spaced exactly five seconds apart. This pattern can continue for hours, a claim verifiable by checking the MtGox transaction history. This is not market trading; this is one (1) automated process intended to give the illusion of many different players panic-selling. Furthermore, let’s take a closer look at the order book:

Do you see the numbers below and to the left of the current big red price? That’s the bid order book. That’s the current buy orders. Note how the currently executing buy orders are at 7-8 bitcoin each, placed just 0.0001 (!) bitcoin apart in price, evading detection on most sites. This is coordinated with the selling person. Those buy orders keep replenishing as the sales orders keep ticking one bitcoin per five seconds; they are coordinated. This is one person in the Shark Squad selling to another person in the Shark Squad, to give the illusion of market downward pressure and sell volume.”

This article doesn’t even go into how a vast majority of bitcoin transactions are a sham, and designed to obscure the fact most bitcoins are owned by just a few people.

“By the nature of the system, the ownership history of every bitcoin in existence is public. Ron and Shamir found that a sizeable bulk of the Bitcoin transaction history to date consisted of shell game switcheroos, designed to conceal certain inconvenient facts. And it should surprise no one that, once the fog of deliberate obfuscation clears, we see the following distribution of ownership:

But the most damning fact revealed in the paper is not the extreme top-heaviness of the Bitcoin ownership pyramid, but rather the elaborate lengths to which the hoarders went in order to conceal their existence from “rank and file” users. Think of it! Hundreds of thousands of shill accounts, with vast rivers of wealth moving back and forth – for one purpose only: to deceive. None of it was done by accident.”

A reasonable value of bitcoin is $4, yet it trades $140 The market has tens of thousands of shell accounts trading for no reason. The biggest owners of bitcoin trade between these accounts for no apparent reason. The transaction history shows multiple instances of what would be SEC trading violations.

Yes, Bitcoin is a scam. No matter how useful and inexpensive the secure transaction technology is, the reality of bitcoin is “Scam”.

http://monetaryrealism.com/?s=Bitcoin+is+a+Scam


28 posted on 12/10/2013 12:49:14 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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Bitcoin is back above $1,000. Now @ a high of $1,067 on Mt. Gox. If the price holds, the real obstacle, IMO, will be to exceed the price of gold. If that occurs, I believe we may see another huge run up in price until it hits the $2,000 ceiling. It actually matched the price of gold on the last run up, until crashing back to about $600.

Just my 2 cents, as it could also be back at $4. ;)

29 posted on 12/10/2013 12:57:08 PM PST by Errant
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Think of it! Hundreds of thousands of shill accounts, with vast rivers of wealth moving back and forth – for one purpose only: to deceive. None of it was done by accident.”

Are you sure this isn't an article about he "FED"? lol

30 posted on 12/10/2013 12:59:10 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant; Smokin' Joe
Smokin' Joe ~ So, why is this legal and the Liberty Dollar wasn't?

Errant ~ Because the folks behind the Liberty Dollar ventured inside what the Treasury considered its envelope of authority.

That, and the makers of the Liberty Dollar don't own senators.

31 posted on 12/10/2013 1:14:59 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void; Smokin' Joe
While it's likely the Treasury was under pressure to do something about Liberty Dollar, this is the justification used:

" Numerous individuals within the U.S. Government have been interviewed regarding the Liberty Dollar. The Liberty Dollar organization asserts that one U.S. Secret Service agent has stated "It's not counterfeit money"[11] while remaining "skeptical" of NORFED Another agent is reported to have warned that the Liberty Dollar "appears to be in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 514."[11] The minting of Liberty dollars also appears to be in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 486:

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

Then you have this clause in the Constitution:

"no state may make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts, which expressly forbids any state government (but not the federal government[63]) from "making a tender" (i.e., authorizing something that may be offered in payment[64]) of any type or form of money to meet any financial obligation,[65] unless that form of money is coins made of gold or silver (or a medium of exchange backed by and redeemable in gold or silver coins, as noted in Farmers & Merchants Bank v. Federal Reserve Bank[66])."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_10:_Limits_on_the_States

32 posted on 12/10/2013 1:54:43 PM PST by Errant
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I could only guess that they got the idea from the FED.


33 posted on 12/10/2013 8:44:42 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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