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Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children
Townhall.com ^ | June 10, 2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/10/2014 10:24:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

He’s right. Kids are much, much better than pets. Not that we didn’t love our pets when we had them.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 11:09:41 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: kidd; Sacajaweau
And go on to here:

Matthew 19:12 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

(Matthew 19:12) Some people are unable to marry because of birth defects or because of what someone has done to their bodies. Others stay single for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Anyone who can accept this teaching should do so.”

22 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: EveningStar

Correct - Pets will not replace European children. Muslims will.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: kidd

http://parade.condenast.com/257470/michelechollow/pope-francis-on-animals/


24 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin
How many children does the Pope have?

Please don't say "all of them".

25 posted on 06/10/2014 11:11:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tax-chick
Dear Tax-chick,

Indeed. And when the health issues come in old age, there is nothing like having the advocacy of someone who loves you by your side.

As for myself, my older son has agreed that his mother and I can live with him when we're unable to take care of ourselves, and the younger son has promised to send the older son a check every month. LOL.


sitetest

26 posted on 06/10/2014 11:12:34 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Kaslin

I love children. Other people’s children and look forward to spending no more than 10 minutes with em.

I like my dogs better and they can do whatever they want as far as I’m concerned.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 11:12:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: buffyt
A little more Biblical material for your consideration:

#16

and

#22

28 posted on 06/10/2014 11:13:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

True, no one is forced to join the priesthood.

But it’s a little more complicated than that. Back in the day, many older Catholics will recall, Catholic families were much larger than they are today. Often many of these families would actively encourage a young son or daughter to enter into vocations, often at a very young age, with the full backing of the Church. Teenagers as young as sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen were often recruited for the seminaries. Many were far from sexually and emotionally mature, therefore this certainly must have been a contributing factor to the homosexual/pedophile priest scandal.

Since the scandal, the Church has since implemented a strict screening process complete with thorough physical and psychological examinations. According to our pastor, only about one in ten applicants to the priesthood actually get admitted into the seminary. Also, the average age of a man entering into the seminary today is about thirty five, many considerably older.

As homosexuality has been widely accepted by the general public in recent years, and even celebrated and glorified in certain sectors, especially our media and entertainment establishments, there is little desire these days for homosexuals to enter into vocations, although back in the day that was an attractive option for them, and in many cases a perfect cover for them because back in those days few people would dare question the veracity or integrity of a Catholic priest plus you had the bishops covering up for them transferring predator priests from one parish to the next.

That all said, the number of priests in the country continues to decline. In the 1960s we had about 60,000 ordained priests in the country, today the number is under 40,000. And yes the Church’s policy of mandatory clerical celibacy is something which should be reviewed. There is nothing in the Bible which says priests must be celibate, to the contrary, priests were married men in the Bible and for many centuries they were permitted to be married even in the Catholic Church. And as Pope Francis himself has recently stated, the policy is not considered dogma etched into stone, and is subject to change.


29 posted on 06/10/2014 11:14:26 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Sacajaweau
We don't blame our unmarried Christian children for being childless, do we?

It would be rather scandalous if an unmarried man, a vowed celibate, had children, wouldn't it? Unless he had them as a married man before he became a priest.

30 posted on 06/10/2014 11:17:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
the Pope is a consecrated celibate, a class of people commended by Our Lord and by St. Paul as being single "for the Kingdom."

I find none of that vestal virgin stuff in YHvH's WORD.

YHvH ended His priesthood in 70 CE, when He permitted
the temple to be destroyed.

Yah'shua is our High Priest.

There are no other intercessors.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
31 posted on 06/10/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I do think that contraception is the main causes of the shortage of celibate vocations. When people had a normal number of children (say, 4-6) they knew that if a few of them discerned a celibate vocation, they would still have kids to care for them into their old age, and they'd still have grandchildren.

Now that so many Catholic couples settle for sub-replacement procreation and impair their bodies with drugs, devices, and surgery to prevent any more--- it's much rarer for them to accept the idea that some of their kids have a genuine calling to Christian celibacy. This is the sort of "singleness" which is described by Our Lord as being "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:12)

It is true that celibacy is not a theological or dogmatic prerequisite for the Sacrament of Holy Orders. There have always been, and are now, tens of thousands of married people in Holy Orders.

32 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I do think that contraception is the main causes of the shortage of celibate vocations. When people had a normal number of children (say, 4-6) they knew that if a few of them discerned a celibate vocation, they would still have kids to care for them into their old age, and they'd still have grandchildren.

Now that so many Catholic couples settle for sub-replacement procreation and impair their bodies with drugs, devices, and surgery to prevent any more--- it's much rarer for them to accept the idea that some of their kids have a genuine calling to Christian celibacy. This is the sort of "singleness" which is described by Our Lord as being "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:12)

It is true that celibacy is not a theological or dogmatic prerequisite for the Sacrament of Holy Orders. There have always been, and are now, tens of thousands of married people in Holy Orders.

33 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Kaslin

I actually agree with him on this. I do however understand the problems young people face with stagnating wages,job market etc...As a petitioner going door to door I could see that the dog did replace children in many instances...less hassles.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 11:28:15 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Not so much contraception, but rather economics is a key consideration why so many young people are postponing things such marriage, children, and home ownership. It helps to have a decent paying job and not being weighed down with excessive debt.

The Pope wonders why so many people these days opt for having a cat or a dog over having a baby. He should look no further than his own backyard in Europe, where economic growth has been negligible, unemployment very high, young adults living at home with there parents well until their thirties and forties. Few opportunities for them in a dying continent where in most families grandparents now outnumber their grandchildren in most cases.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 11:33:50 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Romulus
U-2012>shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

Who is also in "that class of people". Another hypocrite?

????

36 posted on 06/10/2014 11:36:51 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Read carefully. I did not say "vestal virgin." I said what Jesus said, unmarried "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:9).

To add to Our Lord's endorsement of singleness, there's also St. Paul's:

1 Corinthians 7-8

I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

and

1 Corinthians 7:32-35

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord.

But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--- and his interests are divided.

An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband.

I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord."

Notice there's nothing there about "vestal virgins". St. Paul says his personal endorsement of celibacy is "that you live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord" and "for your own good."

37 posted on 06/10/2014 11:44:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Stop making sense. It only confuses them.


38 posted on 06/10/2014 11:52:01 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Matthew 19:9

What does this verse have to do with vestal virgins ??

Sh'aul's recommendation is NOT a commandment of YHvH.

OBTW YHvH commanded all to marry including the High Priests.

Celibacy is only found in Pagan religions.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
39 posted on 06/10/2014 11:59:37 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Pope is a socialist. Socialism does not fit the Tenth Commandment’s prohibition of covetousness. It in fact, promotes it, which leads naturally to situations involving bearing false witness to outright theft.

Personally, I don’t think these violations are very holy, so I don’t consider this Pope in any way a holy man.


40 posted on 06/10/2014 12:03:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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