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Libertarians Versus Conservatives
Townhall.com ^ | June 11, 2014 | John Stossel

Posted on 06/11/2014 6:23:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: xzins; ansel12; P-Marlowe
I NEVER supported Rand Paul, even when many here were saying that he wasn't like is father.

The Pauls have ALWAYS pro-choice on abortion, they can try to explain it any way they want but in the end they are just fine with nearly 4000 babies being murdered each day.

81 posted on 06/11/2014 8:10:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins

While he has been doing that in different venues and on other social issues, he is also loudly proclaiming this as the moment for libertarianism.

Paul is running a liberal campaign under the radar, and firming up a libertarian base, that many conservatives are not noticing.


82 posted on 06/11/2014 8:11:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Daveinyork

I was at a YAF convention where we were debating our platform and in the resolution on the draft, we agreed with the entire resolution, but got into a disagreement over six words — “except in time of declared war.” The people who wanted to take it out got attacked by those who wanted to leave it in as “libertarians”, and someone raised a “point of personal privilege”, objecting to being so labelled.


83 posted on 06/11/2014 8:13:40 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: garden gnome

“The Constitution is hardly “a weak straw man issue”.”

Nice try.

It is your faulty characterization of conservatives regarding intelligence, that is the straw man.


84 posted on 06/11/2014 8:16:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: ansel12

International activities are sometimes necessary, but as Pat Buchanan put it, “conservatives are reluctant internationalists.” We tend to a pragmatic nationalist view, neither internationalist nor isolationist.


85 posted on 06/11/2014 8:17:16 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You can either be a lib or a conservative. But you can't be both.

Have you read Frank Meyer?

86 posted on 06/11/2014 8:19:59 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: DManA

there’s a significant difference between Libertarian and libertarian


87 posted on 06/11/2014 8:21:13 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: lormand

that’s a big ‘L’ Libertarian


88 posted on 06/11/2014 8:21:45 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ConservingFreedom
That Prohibition was a failure is well documented here: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa157.pdf. Do you have better information?

 

How about....

Actually, Prohibition Was a Success

By Mark H. Moore; Mark H. Moore is professor of criminal justice at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
Published: October 16, 1989

89 posted on 06/11/2014 8:22:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: tanknetter

Most of our government’s economic policy is fascist, rather than the more traditional left-wing varieties of socialism (and fascism is a variety of socialism.) It’s nominal private property with heavy government control, corporatism, and heavy taxation.


90 posted on 06/11/2014 8:22:53 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NFHale

When I was in high school, a friend asked me if the Soviets fought the Red Chinese, who would win?

Without hesitation, I answered, America would.


91 posted on 06/11/2014 8:24:09 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NFHale

Howdy Hale, I haven’t heard from you in a bit.

That’s a good attitude to have, because I’d rather fight on someone else’s turf, rather than my own.

If Hitler had been done in early, we still would of had to deal with Russia, but it would of been a whole different ballgame at that point.


92 posted on 06/11/2014 8:25:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: tanknetter

My problem with your box of ideology is that the quadrants are biased.

It is Libertarian-centric. The libertarian labels are neutral and gullible, whereas the conservative ideology is without a true quadrant. Fascist is an epithet.

It would be like a conservative making the quadrants: Reagan conservative, establishment conservative, conservative/libertarian, anarchist.


93 posted on 06/11/2014 8:26:18 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I only can speak about the ones I know. I’m not so presumptuous as to claim that I know about any others.


94 posted on 06/11/2014 8:26:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: TBP
 
You can either be a lib or a conservative. But you can't be both.

Have you read Frank Meyer?

You mean Frank Meyer the Communitst?

No, not really.

95 posted on 06/11/2014 8:26:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: demshateGod

That situation is ridiculous too. Unless we’re not being told everything, why is he still there? I’d send in extraction teams, to hell with their country, they don’t respect anyone else’s country.


96 posted on 06/11/2014 8:27:13 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Kaslin

The funny thing is, if libertarians and conservatives banded together to work on what both sides have in common, we’d crush the opposition and each get about 80% of what we want. We could fight over the remaining 20% afterwards.


97 posted on 06/11/2014 8:27:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: sten

Absolutely true. The Libertarians have ruined the word. We should retire it.


98 posted on 06/11/2014 8:27:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Responsibility2nd
That Prohibition was a failure is well documented here: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa157.pdf. Do you have better information?

How about....

Actually, Prohibition Was a Success

By Mark H. Moore; Mark H. Moore is professor of criminal justice at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
Published: October 16, 1989

What makes your link "better information"? The fact that it has zero footnotes rather than 58? Or that you put your link in a larger font? Talk about blindly accept whatever makes one's theory look good ...

99 posted on 06/11/2014 8:29:57 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: TBP

Whatever that means, you didn’t say anything.


100 posted on 06/11/2014 8:30:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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