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'Anti-Tesla Bill' Means Economic Loss for Michigan
Townhall.com ^ | October 25, 2014 | Jared Meyer

Posted on 10/25/2014 8:35:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: rktman

The plant outside of Reno is the first Tesla battery factory.

There will be a need for many.

Not just for cars but energy storage/management.


41 posted on 10/25/2014 10:46:07 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Kaslin; cripplecreek

I would think there would be many enterprising Michigan citizens that can open a mail drop store front as a Tesla distributor/dealer.

A web domain, web site, a phone number with an answering device and an e mail address to the Mich-tesla.com domain and zap...... you’re in business


42 posted on 10/25/2014 10:50:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: jjotto; cripplecreek
“So the claim is that a manufacturer doesn’t get to choose and impose conditions on a franchisee?” -jjotto

I don't think it is legal to prevent a franchisee from also being a franchisee of another manufacturer. I'm sure Ford would love to prevent their franchisees from also being Toyota franchisees. However, at least here in Texas, it is common to see one dealer owning dealerships from several different competing manufacturers.

“Oh goodie. The Tesla sales liar has arrived.” -cripplecreek

I see you are back to accusing those you disagree with of being shills when you don't have a cogent response to their argument. Ironically, I have never had any connections to a dealer or the car industry whereas you admit that you used to work for a dealer.

43 posted on 10/25/2014 10:55:29 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner

I think people should look at your posting history before considering anything you say.

I already know you’re a lying scumbag and was hoping you would pull your head out of your ass far enough to figure out that posting to me was pointless but you’re apparently in pretty deep.


44 posted on 10/25/2014 11:00:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: bert

True enough, there’s nothing preventing anyone from opening a franchise of their own.


45 posted on 10/25/2014 11:02:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: LogicDesigner

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/10/22/why-tesla-keeps-fighting-for-direct-sales-when-it-could-just-work-with-dealers/


46 posted on 10/25/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Anybody know why this is?”

Don’t know the details, but money is probably involved.


47 posted on 10/25/2014 11:10:04 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: cripplecreek
“I think people should look at your posting history before considering anything you say.”

I was just about to say, anyone who looks at my posting history can see that I am a supporter of electric vehicles in general, not just Tesla. In fact I was disappointed when Elon Musk was critical of some of the competing EVs out there. But I guess that is his job.

“I already know you’re a lying scumbag and was hoping you would pull your head out of your ass far enough to figure out that posting to me was pointless but you’re apparently in pretty deep.”

Wow man, you need to take a deep breath. Would you like explain how exactly I have lied or are you just going to make blanket accusations and continue to avoid addressing the points I've made?

48 posted on 10/25/2014 11:11:08 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: jjotto
That is a good article you linked. Here are a couple paragraphs that I think are especially relevant:

“First, more on the short answer: Yes, Musk could easily work with franchise owners if he really wanted to. But if you're a manufacturer, you cede a lot of control to the dealership when you hand over your cars. As anyone who's haggled for a car knows, dealers have a lot of power to set prices. They can give customers a bad experience — causing folks to walk away, vowing never to buy a Volkswagen or a Toyota again.

‘Our stores are as much education venues as retail venues — in fact, probably more so,’ said Diarmuid O’Connell, Tesla's vice president of business development, in an interview Wednesday. ‘We don't think that we would succeed using an intermediary model where we sell a product that someone else sells to the public.’”

49 posted on 10/25/2014 11:16:15 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner
Factory owned and operated dealerships is nothing new. No franchises is. I say go for it.

There is a cottage industry trying to get accurate numbers for total Tesla sales. 26 thousand last I checked. A dealership (Toyota) I worked for sold 5500 a year. It was one of 6 in the Denver area at the time.

In the world of car makers Tesla is puny.

50 posted on 10/25/2014 11:21:28 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: LogicDesigner

I can see another problem for the dealers and independent mechanics in the future. An electrical engine is so simple and durable that the car owner will only need to replace the tires and brakes every say-50K miles and replace the battery every 5 years or more. The battery is where the technical break through has to happen.


51 posted on 10/25/2014 11:27:29 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: LogicDesigner

Tesla aside, corporate-owned outlets for everything is the seemingly inevitable capitalist outcome.

With auto dealers of all kinds, there’s just not as much profit in it as there used to be, so the outlets end up in the hands of the deepest pockets.

I still think Musk is just trying to keep hidden how little actual profit there is in his vehicles.


52 posted on 10/25/2014 11:29:30 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Fishing-guy
“I can see another problem for the dealers and independent mechanics in the future. An electrical engine is so simple and durable that the car owner will only need to replace the tires and brakes every say-50K miles...”

Bingo. I hear all the time that dealers make more money off of their service centers than on sales nowadays. Dealers generally have little interest in selling electric cars. I test drove a Chevy Volt a while ago (although it is electric and gas, you don't use the gas very often) and I spent the entire test drive teaching the salesman about the car.

“...and replace the battery every 5 years or more. The battery is where the technical break through has to happen.”

The definitely need to have some breakthroughs to bring the price down, but after being on the market for four years, Chevy Volts at least have shown to have virtually no reduction in battery capacity. The Volt has some pretty advanced battery cooling and charge management though. I'm not as familiar with how other electric cars have fared.

53 posted on 10/25/2014 11:40:23 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: Kaslin

There trying to do it here in NJ.


54 posted on 10/25/2014 11:43:16 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: jjotto
“I still think Musk is just trying to keep hidden how little actual profit there is in his vehicles.”

I don't think having franchised dealers would change that. Ultimately dealers are just middlemen, buying the car from the manufacturer for X price and selling it for Y price. They don't get into the inner workings of the price the manufacturer charges them.

55 posted on 10/25/2014 11:46:07 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Their.


56 posted on 10/25/2014 11:48:11 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

In the world of car makers Tesla is puny.

...

It’s puny, but it sure makes the news. People seem to love the cars and they have a terrific growth rate.


57 posted on 10/25/2014 12:07:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: LogicDesigner

Giving dealers a cut would move it from Mercedes - Lexus - BMW competitors to the Maserati - Bentley - Aston-Martin range, a much smaller market.

Dealer sales are monitored a lot more closely than Tesla sales are now.


58 posted on 10/25/2014 12:11:09 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Worst case of mold I’ve ever seen.

Must’ve left it out in the rain.

Probably from Seattle.


59 posted on 10/25/2014 2:10:11 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

This will create a real hardship for people who can shell out over $100K for a car. There’s no way they’ll be able to buy one now. /s

Townhall has become a haven for snarky Democrats in all but name.


60 posted on 10/25/2014 9:00:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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