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It’s time to abolish the CIA
The Washington Times ^ | December 31, 2014 | Bruce Fein

Posted on 01/02/2015 6:43:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: mylife
>>“It is better to risk being the victim of injustice than to be complicit in it.”
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> WTF has this ever been a pillar of America?

Kind of — it used to be that the legal idea we founded our judicial-system on was better that a dozen guilty men should be spared than one innocent condemned. (See Blackstone's Formulation)
This is why there's the grand jury (which determines if a trial should occur) and a petite jury (that sits and renders a verdict).

41 posted on 01/02/2015 7:42:59 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Please Bruce, try not to get so worked up"


42 posted on 01/02/2015 7:44:46 PM PST by mylife
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To: Capt. Tom
But an agency that acts in the shadows is rather more conducive to corruption.
43 posted on 01/02/2015 7:46:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Believe me, judgement in the intel community runs deep and can be very difficult.
No one is a superstar.


44 posted on 01/02/2015 7:48:07 PM PST by mylife
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To: Hawthorn

Sounds like he’s related to ‘Sein Fein.’


45 posted on 01/02/2015 7:51:28 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Funny thing is most of the outraged people in the world are paying to be spied on.
There is a GPS chip in your phone.
They have you all paying to talk on a pipe.

Bey Bruce tapped this out on his Ipad.

Think this forum is not monitored?


46 posted on 01/02/2015 7:55:03 PM PST by mylife
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To: StormEye

You forgot Dept of Agriculture, Dept of Energy, and the Fed.


47 posted on 01/02/2015 7:55:16 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Naw. Just De-Hillary-ize it. Other offices need to go first.


48 posted on 01/02/2015 8:18:24 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: FreeReign

>> He’s an outspoken critic of NSA. <<

All the more reason to abolish his writings.


49 posted on 01/02/2015 8:34:05 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: semaj

>> Is our nation to be blind in a world filled with predators? I don’t think so. <<

Well, I’d say that the NSA haters and bashers here on FR are basically blind to the predators we face.


50 posted on 01/02/2015 8:37:01 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: OneWingedShark

“Are you telling me that Capitalism could not withstand Communism in “the marketplace of ideas”?”

Communism never intended to compete with us in any free market. When did they ever abide by the will of the people to choose some other form of government?

No, Communists only make pretenses of that, but they always scheme to take power by subterfuge and violence.


51 posted on 01/02/2015 9:02:52 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Hasn’t it been pretty well privatized?


52 posted on 01/02/2015 9:05:46 PM PST by 9thLife (Barack Hussein Obama is one of them.)
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To: Boogieman

Actually, communism exploits free markets expertly.


53 posted on 01/02/2015 9:07:59 PM PST by 9thLife (Barack Hussein Obama is one of them.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

” ..... CIA should be abolished.”


The problem I have with the CIA now is that I believe they’re far to political now. And their political position now is on the LEFT.

CIA employees like their job security and have become part of big government.


54 posted on 01/02/2015 9:08:53 PM PST by boycott
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In the world we now live in, if we didn’t have a CIA, we’d have to invent one.


55 posted on 01/02/2015 9:09:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Gee Oh Pee: Peeing on your leg and telling you it's raining since 1988.)
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To: Boogieman
>> “Are you telling me that Capitalism could not withstand Communism in “the marketplace of ideas”?”
>
>Communism never intended to compete with us in any free market.

I never said it did.
What I said is that we currently have something that isn't a free market, but pretends to be (which is why a free market would shock it).

When did they ever abide by the will of the people to choose some other form of government?

Not the point, not the question — the point/question is if Capitalism needs to have it's proponents use force to stamp out other ideas (namely Communism).

No, Communists only make pretenses of that, but they always scheme to take power by subterfuge and violence.

And how is that different that the government we have now and, indeed, have had for as long as I can [personally] remember?
(Waco and Ruby Ridge are good illustrations of that.)

56 posted on 01/02/2015 9:47:49 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Hawthorn
>> Is our nation to be blind in a world filled with predators? I don’t think so. <<
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> Well, I’d say that the NSA haters and bashers here on FR are basically blind to the predators we face.

I've been called a basher because I believe that the Fourth Amendment means what it says, that the people should be secure in their persons, papers, and possessions against [unreasonable] search and seizure; furthermore, I assert that any search without a warrant is unreasonable.

There's a great Battlestar Galactica quote about why military and police should be kept separate: because when they become one they view the people as the enemy. The same applies to our intelligence communities: they will see us as the enemy now that they have been turned against us. (Heck, if you don't believe that they're unscrupulous about the powers they have to conduct domestic intel, look up the word loveint.)

57 posted on 01/02/2015 10:00:59 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If we are going to get rid of some of the acronym branches, we need to start with the most destructive ones first... DHS, NSA, EPA, ATF


58 posted on 01/02/2015 10:06:03 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
DHS and CIA are sharing information on American citizens. They have become one and the same.
Look for them both in Irving, TX occupying the same building.
59 posted on 01/02/2015 10:13:50 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: mylife
"Think this forum is not monitored?"

I count on it and I think most others do as well. When I post, I completely anticipate a few at the top will occasionally click a google link and see our thoughts on matters... and that includes everyone down to the low level DUmmies. Probably not the most efficient way to distribute ones ideals, but it puts it out there.

60 posted on 01/02/2015 10:13:56 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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