Posted on 06/18/2015 8:39:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“Better idea: A BOLD RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION to rid Christianity of the heretical, perverted catholic church and its Commie pope.”
A bold Religious Revolution to rid Christianity of the Catholic Church?????? Wow. Your goal aligns perfectly with the Stalinist government of the USSR, the Islamists who threaten Rome, the Red Chinese, etc. Nice friends you have there.
“...but the Catholic church also sided with Hitler....”
False. That is an absolute lie. I can see I will be busy on this thread.
PF is wrong to get involved with the AGW proponents. They are not only in error in their conclusions, but keeping company with them is ill-advised.
To be honest, however, numerous Catholic officials did side / symnpathise with Hitler prior to the actual outbreak of WWII. See the thread The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany: an exhaustive survey of John Toland's biography of Hitler for details.
That is different from the previous assertion.
Additionally, any official who sympathized would have been wrong, just as today, any official or bishop who promotes “same sex marriage” is equally wrong, and not professing the teaching of the Church.
To my original statement, the Church didn’t side Hitler or the Nazis, and to say it did is a slander.
Thank you for telling the truth to some of these closed-minded folks on this thread.
He was supported by many in Europe, of all religions, for that reason, before his true nature was known.
And anti-CAtholiscism appears to be his passion. He's spent years on it.
“I AM appalled and disgusted to no end with this.”
Me too! Its time for all the churches to get back to the business of dealing with the Worlds spiritual needs. The Catholics and the Mormons should be ashamed of their involvement in illegal immigration, The Archbishop of Los Angeles in essence has said “screw the US immigration laws, we are going to continue to facilitate illegal immigration into California.” In a sane world, he’d be facing Federal charges.
And if the Church is going to get involved with politics, it’s time to start taxing them as a political organization.
Yes it would be nice if politics and ideology could be omitted from the pulpits of all denominations and religions. I don’t go to Mass to hear political lectures. If I want that I go to a political meeting.
I’m even getting to a point where I don’t even care if churches lose their tax exempt status.
IMO it's not different, just more precise.
Additionally, any official who sympathized would have been wrong, just as today, any official or bishop who promotes “same sex marriage” is equally wrong, and not professing the teaching of the Church.
IMO that is different from your own previous assertion. More specifically, what it is that defines "the Church" in the statement "the Church didn't side with Hitler"? Is it the officials? The doctrine? The social teaching?
I'm not sure I can agree or disagree that the Catholic officials who sympathized "were wrong", unless you can point to a clear and unequivocal, unwavering position of church teaching that should have informed them to do differently. As John Toland's book pointed out,
After reminding the priests that the Church had banished Jews into ghettos and forbidden Christians to work with them, Hitler explained that he regarded the Jews as "nothing but pernicious enemies of the State and Church, and therefore he wanted to drive the Jews out more and more, especially from academic life and public professions." He was only going to do more effectively what the Church of Rome had been attempting to do for so many centuries.For example, consider how the Catholic archbishop treated the Jews living under his rule in Catholic Salzburg some five hundred years before Hitler:
In Salzburg, which was non-secular and ruled by a Catholic Prince-Archbishop not overly pleased about non-Catholic residents of any kind, Jews were expelled in 1492 and prevented from permanent settlement until the 19th century. Emperor Maximilian I banned Jews from Styria and Carinthia on request of local guilds in 1496 and relocated to the Eastern edge of the Empire in Zistersdorf near Eisenstadt. From 1551, Jews had to wear a yellow spot on their clothing every time they entered market towns or cities.To my original statement, the Church didn’t side Hitler or the Nazis, and to say it did is a slander.
If you say so :)
Gee, had to go back 400 YEARS to find something to fit!?!?
The Church, as led by the Pope, had been opposing Nazism since 1937, and as my previous post mentioned was the FIRST major group to speak out against Nazism. And it suffered for it.
You are trying to split hairs, and taking the word of Hitler, as recounted by Toland. Taking the word of Hitler. Let that sink in for a minute.
Again, go back to Pinchas Lapide, where he states: “the Catholic Church saved more Jewish lives during the war than all other churches, religious institutions and rescue organizations put together.”
Now, if that isn’t the exact opposite of what you are trying to support, I don’t know what is.
In case you don’t know who Pinchas Lapide is:
Pinchas Lapide was a Jewish theologian and Israeli historian. He was an Israeli diplomat from 1951 to 1969, among other position acting as Israeli Consul to Milan, and was instrumental in gaining recognition for the young state of Israel.
Global Warming on Free Republic here, here and here
Worse. They’re mostly Massachusetts liberals...
He’s just misunderstood. It was a bad translation. The media is always getting the Pope wrong and distorting what he says. The Vatican will soon come out with a clarification. Etc., etc., etc.
I have read this proclamation by the Pope many times.
I haven’t read this article yet, but at least the headline and the first paragraph agrees with my reading.
The Pope likes the idea of a global carbon market but wants something much grander.
He wants a Global Ecological Tax based on the cost of repairing the environmental damage inflicted on the country and the world including every conceivable side impact no matter how theoretical. This tax is on the production and the consumption side (by the seller, laughable since it is always passed on to the consumer).
The only thing we have simular to this today, is a value added tax.
The way our system works today, is actually just another method of the same thing but more based on actual demonstrated harm and the money is collected by the courts and through government fines.
What happens in the third world though, is you can buy off that government official or even if you pay the fine, he pockets it. The damage is never repaired.
I think the Pope is living in a fantasy world if he thinks this will change.
This is only going to make the more corrupt countries uncompetitive driving up their poverty even higher.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.