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Flashback: Obama cuts 2008 Selective Service stamp in half...
7/18/15 | me

Posted on 07/18/2015 12:53:28 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001

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To: DiogenesLamp
Yeah, that Obamacare thing was just totally a fluke

No, he then had Democratic majorities. Other things you listed are things he could attempt unilaterally. But things that since have required Republican votes he's not done as well. Again, the "everyone is intimated by thugs" bit is rather fanciful. It's a concocted bit of nonsense Birthers come up with to rationalize why no one is buying their arguments.

141 posted on 07/23/2015 12:54:51 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: Nero Germanicus
Also, there is no state in the union and no federal law that requires a candidate or a president to document their eligibility by using a birth certificate.

You could just save a lot of time by saying election officials in all 50 states are ignorant and stupid.

As for the "Federal Law", yes there is. It is called "Article II" and it does not need to stipulate the means to accomplish this, it only needed to stipulate that it be done. People in 1787 weren't F***ing Idiots like they are today, and didn't need things spelled out for them.

Unfortunately, Public education and Media propaganda have lobotomized otherwise intelligent people into believe crap and shirking their responsibility.

142 posted on 07/23/2015 12:55:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
It's an egregious case of the "I've only got one argument to make, so I'll just keep on that point" technique.

And believe me, you are someone who knows all about this technique. If you didn't have an ad nauseum, you wouldn't have anything to work with.

143 posted on 07/23/2015 12:57:03 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
No, it'd due to your being daft and incomprehensible.

So what's the problem? Daft and incomprehensible is your stock in trade.

Anyone who advocates for Anchor babies and Birth tourists is some sort of idiot anyways.

144 posted on 07/23/2015 12:59:38 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
Did I mention you were a supporter of Anchor Babies, Birth Tourism and Obama?

I say briefly, because Stanley Ann went to Seattle a few weeks later.

Also so stupid as to believe a two week old infant would be allowed on a Plane.

145 posted on 07/23/2015 1:02:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
They probably sent her up to Blaine Washington

You are free to speculate . . . But speculation without evidence it is.

Or she kept Stanley Ann within reach, but out of sight, in Hawaii. One can speculate both scenarios.

Madelyn Dunham was so ashamed of the fact that her grandson was half Black, that she didn't tell her coworkers she even had a grandson.

She just had a birth announcement listed in the Hawaii papers. Well, perhaps she would be ashamed of that, too. In which case it must have come from the Hawaii D.o.H.

146 posted on 07/23/2015 1:04:43 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: bitt
11. Lincoln was undeniably, and without any doubt, born in the United States. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.

This is incorrect. Obama is not a lawyer. He voluntarily gave up his Law License to prevent a disbarment hearing for Lying on his bar application.

Obama is NOT a Lawyer.

Obama is a Half Black Ventriloquist dummy that the Media used to get Liberal crap enacted by appealing to the desire of Americans to show how non-racist they were by voting for a "black" guy.

In real life he's a hate filled imbecile, and the reason you can't see his Harvard grades is because they will demonstrate, despite the efforts of the entire Harvard faculty falling over backwards to make this idiot look competent, that he is an ignorant fool who only got into Harvard on the basis of affirmative Action policies.

147 posted on 07/23/2015 1:08:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
Oh God. Another wall of crap text which isn't worth reading.

Crap Crap Crap ad nauseum.

148 posted on 07/23/2015 1:09:40 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
As for the "Federal Law", yes there is. It is called "Article II" and it does not need to stipulate the means to accomplish this, it only needed to stipulate that it be done.

And it was done. The voters had their say on that question and the Congress had its say. That you don't like how they did it or the conclusion is your problem. Again, no one has appointed you the arbiter here.

People in 1787 weren't F***ing Idiots like they are today

People in 1787 didn't have birth certificates either. What's your point?

149 posted on 07/23/2015 1:09:46 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: CpnHook

More Garbage, not worth reading.


150 posted on 07/23/2015 1:10:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Oh God. Another wall of crap text which isn't worth reading.

Right. You'll just skip past it and later try to BS to some other person here that I'm the one ignoring your points.

Why you keep up this pretense, I don't know. I call you on it every time.

151 posted on 07/23/2015 1:11:29 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: Nero Germanicus
Forty-seven years later when Hawaii government officials went to check on the birth record, they found a “real” original vital record in the files.

Which they adamantly refuse to show anyone. Not good enough. Constitutional requirements trumps any and all state laws.

Unfortunately our Election officials are ignorant, cowardly and intent on looking the other way.

152 posted on 07/23/2015 1:12:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
More Garbage, not worth reading.

You must be hearing that wind blowing through your head again . . .

153 posted on 07/23/2015 1:12:54 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: DiogenesLamp

Presidential candidates can and have documented their eligibility under Article II, Section 1 by using their passports and their driver’s licenses.

Some states require a candidate to personally sign a notarized statement attesting to their qualification under Article II, Section 1. That statement can then be challenged in court.

That same 1787 document says in Article IV, Section 1 (The Full Faith and Credit Clause) that the states are the final arbitor on what is a legitimate public record of each state and that record will be accepted in every other state.


154 posted on 07/23/2015 1:13:08 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: CpnHook
Which are words I never said. You're up to your old stupid tricks again.

The secret to good debating is talking at the level of your audience. "Stupid tricks" is exactly your level of comprehension.

and Lolo submitted a school application stating Obama was born in Honolulu, HI, on Aug 4, 1961.

Hey, dumbass! How is "Lolo" supposed to know where and when Obama was born? Was "Lolo" somehow involved in it? Like as not, he just parroted what he had been told.

I'm sorry, I should have phrased that answer in the form of a "stupid trick" so that you would have a better chance of comprehending it.

155 posted on 07/23/2015 1:16:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

If anybody wants to inspect the original, they can get a court order from a judge, in accordance with Hawaii law.
Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution says that the states have control over their public records and those records will be accepted in every other state.


156 posted on 07/23/2015 1:19:37 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Back in 1961 there was almost no attention paid to idenity theft or the current day issues of illegal immigration.

Absolutely right. The Focuse of the Hawaiian birth certificate mill of that time was generating very valuable citizenship for people around the Pacific rim in the aftermath of World War II.

Obama just got lucky that his bogus documents could be created during such an opportune moment. Amidst the thousands of other foreigners fabricating US Citizenship, who would notice one little Canadian Bastard sneaking in?

157 posted on 07/23/2015 1:20:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Did I mention you were a supporter of Anchor Babies, Birth Tourism and Obama?

As to the first two, I'm not. But neither am I a supporter like you of revisionist history to imagine there was some original "citizen parent" rule to Article II or the 14th Amendment when there is scant evidence upon which to base that view and much contrary evidence to refute it.

As to Obama, get it in your head: this is a question of history, law and evidence. I haven't ever tried to defend one policy of Obama. Your opening post to me in 2013 accused me of sophistry on a subject I simply know more than you. You don't get a pass on this one. You're incompetent in matters of history and law. I simply point that out.

158 posted on 07/23/2015 1:20:45 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: CpnHook
Anything more than a few sentences from you is "skip over" material.

Your opinion really is not worth the trouble to read.

159 posted on 07/23/2015 1:21:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
In 1990, Obama stated to the NYT, WashPo, Tribune and LAT (I'll give one link) that he was "born in Hawaii," and this fact was reported nationwide.

Next!

160 posted on 07/23/2015 1:23:57 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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