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Iran's president uses UN speech to call for investigation into hajj stampede
The Guardian ^ | 26 September 2015

Posted on 09/26/2015 10:12:29 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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A dispute over the control of Mecca between two sects whose mutual hostility has continued over a thousand years. This sort of posturing tends to be a prelude for a religious war.
1 posted on 09/26/2015 10:12:29 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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What Iran wants more than Mecca is the oil (which is, conveniently, largely located on the way to Mecca)


2 posted on 09/26/2015 10:17:36 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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That comes naturally. Mid-Eastern oil fields stretches along Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia, up to Iran-Iraq border area, all the way to Azerbaijan, and Caspian Basin.


3 posted on 09/26/2015 10:21:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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A news article from Iran's state news agency Fars:

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940703000951

Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:43

Thursday Mass Deaths: Mecca Needs a New Guardian

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran is observing three days of mourning following the deaths of some 2,000 Hajj pilgrims in Mecca, including 131 Iranian nationals.

Offering condolences to the bereaved families on Thursday, September 24, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei said, “The Saudi government is obligated to shoulder its heavy responsibility in this bitter incident and meet its obligations in compliance with the rule of righteousness and fairness. Mismanagement and improper measures that were behind this tragedy should not be overlooked.”

Strange enough, Riyadh refuses to take any responsibility for the tragedy, which has created a “great grief” in the Islamic world. The Saudi civil defense directorate claims pilgrims caused the crush; that there is no indication authorities are to blame; and that it happened due to extreme heat and exhaustion on the part of some “noncompliant” and “inexperienced” pilgrims.

It’s all a big lie. A casual stroll through the chain of events and facts offers ample evidence why Saudi authorities are behaving like fools:

* Safety and security are indispensible condition for travel and tourism worldwide - for recreation, leisure, religious, family or business purposes. Already overshadowed by the crane accident that killed at least 108 people and injured more than 238 on September 11, this year’s Hajj season has been a complete failure for the House of Saud. Tellingly, they failed to provide a safe and secure environment for pilgrims at the national and local levels.

* The disaster at Mina started after security forces deliberately blocked two of the main routes to accommodate a convoy of Saudi government dignitaries as pilgrims were walking towards the final ritual of ‘Stoning the Devil’. Eyewitnesses and survivors say this deadly mistake plus the speeding convoy of Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud created a bottleneck that led to the crowd crush on Route 204. Predictably, the ruler of Mecca has distanced himself from the criminal case, stressing the King should decide the issue.

* Official conducts and incidents as such are the result of rivalries between the police, security service, and King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. Power struggle and political rivalries are tough and deep among different royal families who are all descendant of the Al Saud. They always try to undermine each other’s authority as they see themselves entitled to the crown.

* The Saudi government refuses to identify and acknowledge the factors - safety errors, poor management, and security personnel shortage - that caused the crowd crush. Under international travel and tourism law, the consequences of this criminal negligence fall upon Riyadh. Lest they forget, most of the Saudi security forces are in Yemen, fighting an open-ended war against Ansarullah…

Some two million people take part in the annual Hajj pilgrimage, which all able-bodied Muslims are required to undertake at least once in their lives. A vast majority of these people are not from Saudi Arabia, and they are not able to exert any pressure on Riyadh to improve crowd control and public safety.

The Thursday mass deaths plus the slow and inadequate response to the emergency situation have led to growing criticisms from the public and Muslim states officials. They believe the House of Saud is unable to channel and protect one of the world’s largest regular human migrations. To quote them: Muslim leaders, elites, and politicians should demand the change of authority in charge of running the annual Hajj pilgrimage from the House of Saud to a collection of Muslim states. It’s the only way to stop similar horrors from ever happening again.

4 posted on 09/26/2015 10:22:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Iran vs Saudi Arabia, can they both lose?


5 posted on 09/26/2015 10:22:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Iran-Iraq War lasted for a decade. Neither side won. Yes, it can happen again.
6 posted on 09/26/2015 10:25:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Every mohammedan that is killed, stomped on, hit with the rock in the head, or dies in this ridiculous ‘religious’ annual ritual, is one less that would be alive to kill Americans.

I’ve yet to see a christian, jewish, or buddhist ritual where folks actually neglect the safety of all involved, to the point of death.


7 posted on 09/26/2015 10:26:25 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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The cause? Easy-unthinking rabid stuck-in-the-seventh- century fanatics. Keep it up. Maybe make is a daily rather than an annual event.


8 posted on 09/26/2015 10:31:14 AM PDT by austingirl
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I think they have a stampede every year and folks get killed. Kinda like the “bull” fights.


9 posted on 09/26/2015 10:32:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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“investigation into hajj stampede”

What’s to investigate?
2 million wild eyed militant muslims all running in a circle around a meteorite. Then throwing rocks at each other trying to kill the white devil.

What could possibly go wrong!?


10 posted on 09/26/2015 10:33:44 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.)
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Hassan Rouhani demands review of what caused the crush that killed more than 700....Stupid is as stupid does?


11 posted on 09/26/2015 10:36:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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Saudi Arabia and Iran - It is like tying the tails of two kittens together, then hanging them over a clothes line. At first the kittens meow most piteously, then they begin to push their back feet against the other’s back feet and body. They then swing apart, only to fall back together, tangled.

Then the adrenalin kicks in. By now thoroughly panicked, the kittens begin to tear at each other, and you could not possibly imagine the ferocity contained in two such small creatures. They will eventually kill each other.


12 posted on 09/26/2015 10:40:30 AM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
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God willing.


13 posted on 09/26/2015 10:41:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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As John Kerry always says, InshAllah.

I hope they appoint Jimmuh Carter to get to the bottom of this disaster. LOL


14 posted on 09/26/2015 10:53:03 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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yup! you got it!!


15 posted on 09/26/2015 10:59:22 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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Bring back the Neutron bomb


16 posted on 09/26/2015 11:00:26 AM PDT by butlerweave
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It is like tying the tails of two kittens together, then hanging them over a clothes line.

I hope you are speaking from personal experience.

17 posted on 09/26/2015 11:11:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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NOT! I left out the not!


18 posted on 09/26/2015 11:12:30 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Sacajaweau

You re right, it is a regular occurrence. BTW, I wonder if Obama ever went...


19 posted on 09/26/2015 11:19:59 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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“I sense a great disturbance in The Farce!”


20 posted on 09/26/2015 11:20:25 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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