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People v Jennifer Jorgensen (Breaking: NY Appeals Court rules a six-day-old child is not a person)
New York State Court of Appeals ^ | 10/22/15 | New York State Court of Appeals

Posted on 10/22/2015 7:19:44 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Behind Liberal Lines

New York is where Satan goes to vacation.


21 posted on 10/22/2015 7:47:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: BBB333

Horse-hanged.

22 posted on 10/22/2015 7:47:51 AM PDT by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: BBB333
Hung is proper English.

See for yourself.

http://www.verb2verbe.com/conjugation/english-verb/hang.aspx

23 posted on 10/22/2015 7:50:37 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: hoosierham

The article and my comment were specific to her being on trial for killing her baby. As pertains to that aspect my comment stands. As to the people she killed in the other car for that she should be punished.


24 posted on 10/22/2015 7:51:42 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (This tagline lists all of Hilary's accomplishments............................)
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To: Trumpinator

{”Some power out there hates human life so much it wants to kill it in the womb.”}

We know what power that is.


25 posted on 10/22/2015 7:54:03 AM PDT by Calpublican (Republican Party Now Stands for Nothing!!!!!(Except Conniving))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Follow that line of “reasoning” to its logical conclusion. A sixty year old progressive is not a person and may be killed in the public interest.


26 posted on 10/22/2015 7:54:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SunTzuWu

Hung is the past tense and past participle of hang in most of that verb’s senses. For instance, yesterday you might have hung a picture on the wall, hung a right turn, and hung your head in sorrow. The exception comes where hang means to put to death by hanging. The past tense and past participle of hang in this sense, and only in this sense, is hanged.

from the Grammarist


27 posted on 10/22/2015 7:57:05 AM PDT by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: al baby

It’s proper grammar.

See AP stylebook.


28 posted on 10/22/2015 8:02:06 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: Chickensoup

Thank you.


29 posted on 10/22/2015 8:02:25 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SunTzuWu

No it is NOT.


30 posted on 10/22/2015 8:02:38 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: wagglebee

The logical destination of of the “logic” of Roe. Of course the starting point for such “logic” is stark raving depraved madness.


31 posted on 10/22/2015 8:07:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Cantor-ize every last one of them.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If court can rule that a person isn't actually a person at six days, what stops them from making the same ruling at ANY POINT in a person's life. The "logic" behind all genocide has historically been to declare the intended victims as non-persons.
32 posted on 10/22/2015 8:11:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yup. They have to dehumanize them first, because, in their hearts, they still know it’s wrong to murder innocent human beings.


33 posted on 10/22/2015 8:15:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Cantor-ize every last one of them.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It is unfortunate such a ruling was forced but those involved in making the decision seem to have been stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Indeed as the majority opinion points out, if the conviction had been allowed to stand, it might encourage future mothers in such a situation to not elect to have a cesarean, even to implement life saving measures for the baby, because she might be charged with manslaughter if the baby dies later.

If she (or any woman) had been in a head on collision with a tree, so no one else died as a result, should she still be tried and convicted of manslaughter? Just because her baby died? And the only reason the baby died outside the womb was because she elected to have a cesarean? So if she didn’t have a cesarean she shouldn’t be charged but if she does she should?

No the way I see it the judge’s decision at least removes any legal threat for pregnant women in car accidents who wish to try to save their baby.

Like I said it’s a rock and a hard place situation. (I’m assuming throughout all this she wasn’t intoxicated or anything like that).


34 posted on 10/22/2015 8:19:58 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

How long before someone who kills a baby goes free while someone who kills a baby animal goes to jail? Wait. we’re already there.


35 posted on 10/22/2015 8:21:53 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The imposition of criminal liability ... should be clearly defined by the legislature, not the courts. It should also not be left to the whim of the prosecutor.

Hard to argue against this. It's nice to see that some NY Judges actually recall what each branch's Constitutional duties are.

(Of course, it reads to me like they're hiding behind this correct logic, but I'll appreciate the rare reasoning anyway.)

36 posted on 10/22/2015 8:21:59 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: SunTzuWu

Not in this instance:
Hanged vs. hung

Hung is the past tense and past participle of hang in most of that verb’s senses. For instance, yesterday you might have hung a picture on the wall, hung a right turn, and hung your head in sorrow. The exception comes where hang means to put to death by hanging. The past tense and past participle of hang in this sense, and only in this sense, is hanged.

When someone is hung out of malice but with no intent to kill, as described in the example below, hung is the conventional word:

They hung him by chains and tortured him. [Day Press News]

Examples
Hung

A column of smoke visible from six miles away hung over the scene throughout the afternoon. [NBC Washington]

Two teenage boys that hung on to tree branches for two hours in the middle of Beaver Creek have been rescued. [My Fox Phoenix]

I hung the decorations in our platoon office for everyone to enjoy. [Galesburg Register-Mail]

Hanged

The hangman, who has hanged nine people in his 21 years in prison, has requested anonymity. [BBC News]

A man due to be sentenced tomorrow for murdering his brother has been found hanged in his cell. [Mirror]

Source: http://grammarist.com/usage/hanged-hung/


37 posted on 10/22/2015 8:25:07 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: DBrow

So is baby sacrifice no longer a crime? Well since the as long as the baby is a few days old it is not a living person.....

38 posted on 10/22/2015 8:26:33 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I wonder how many people are actually reading the article, and not just the headline. The issue is whether the mother can be punished for negligence/recklessness while pregnant, if the child dies after the pregnancy.

She swerved into oncoming traffic and killed 2 other people. The Prosecutor seems to think that she needs more names added to her list of victims, and wants to tinker with the statutes to do it. That takes a lot of time and effort. This Prosecutor is doing it for some reason.

I still agree with the majority decision here, sympathies to the unborn aside. Let the Legislature change the laws, not judges and prosecutors.

39 posted on 10/22/2015 8:29:09 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Michael.SF.

Agree. The DA should have been horsewhipped. Had I been on a jury I wouldn’t have convicted either.

Unfortunately a bad case sets an illogical precedent. How many days must pass for cells to become a child?


40 posted on 10/22/2015 8:31:41 AM PDT by zek157
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