US reportedly supplying Ukraine military with obsolete equipment

Fox News ^ | December 01, 2015 | Fox News

[AndyJackson]

Sorry, missed the /s. Typing without reading - common disease here.

[SolidRedState]

It’s epidemic and there is no cure. I’ve had it and am in remission but you never know when it will recur. :)

[tlozo]

“Since Catherine the Great. Look it up yourself.”

Parts of Estonia were russian since the 1550’s does that mean russia has the right to seize them?
Europe’s borders were constantly changing, many countries can lay claim to a neighbors territory.
http://www.viralforest.com/watch-1000-years-european-borders-change/

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The US is no heroes here We have turned UKraine into another proxy battlefield aimed at Russia

This is the story line promoted by Russian propaganda, all of it centered on the idea that normal Ukrainians wouldn't protest if they saw people on live television being beaten, stripped naked in the snow, kidnapped and murdered, and that the 800,000 people protesting in Kiev alone, and the thousands upon thousands protesting around the country, must have been getting paid by the CIA to go protest.

There is no evidence for the CIA, or eeeevil McCain, or anybody, manufacturing a rebellion against a Russian puppet dictator.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

It is this kind of propaganda that is going to cause WWIII. The Crimea and its ports have been Russian as long as we have been a nation. Russia will no more give up Sevastopol than we will give up Hawaii.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Crimea isn't even physically connected to Russia. It is a Ukrainian peninsula. If Crimea belongs to the Russians, so does all of Ukraine because the Russians dominated it and murdered 7 million people. Then again, that is exactly what Russians also say-- that Ukraine belongs to them too, not just Crimea.

[silverleaf]

McCain and the US are in this dirty war up to their(our) necks.

Just search on the terms “militia operating in Ukraine” and you will get more articles from more sources than I can link about the horrible mess that has been created, human rights violations enough for all to share, and yes the US has instigated this - if we did not mean to create instability on Russia’s border, then we did anyway and we are only escalating.

Ukraine in NATO? Really?
How about if Putin makes Venezuela and Cuba part of the Russian Federation?

Same awful human costs mounting as in Syria, peoples’ lives and countries torn apart as pawns in a geopolitical chess game with obama and John Brennan’s “bull in a China shop” interventionism using some of the slimiest proxies on earth. Real slick.

Hey CIA, the 1980’s called, they want their dirty little “guerrilla” war strategy back

[AndyJackson]

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

I know one even stupider. Starting WWIII out of ignorance of geography and history.

[AndyJackson]

yes the US has instigated this - if we did not mean to create instability on Russia’s border, then we did anyway and we are only escalating

Sink a couple of ships in the Turkish Straits and we cannot even get to the Black Sea, so I don't know where it is getting us to provoke this. But it has not stopped the neo-cons and their fellow travelers.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I know one even stupider. Starting WWIII out of ignorance of geography and history.

It's cute how you act like you know what you're talking about.

[AndyJackson]

Parts of Estonia were russian since the 1550’s does that mean russia has the right to seize them?

Well no, first, because the Estonians do not want it and second because it is in our national interest to put some markers on the table to stop Russia from doing so.

But these sorts of claims can only go so far. For instance, our SC just stopped native Hawaiians from holding their own elections. Seems to me that if they want to go their separate ways it is not our place to stop them, under this same argument.

We draw borders and we defend them and we exercise dominion over the area inside. That is how we have a country. That is how the Russians have a country and that is how the Estonians have a country. But the Crimea - it is a place, not a country, and the battle is over which country it is subject to. The Russian Navy has secured it since 1754 or some such, so it is theirs by the same right that Hawaii is ours.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Just search on the terms “militia operating in Ukraine” and you will get more articles from more sources than I can link about the horrible mess that has been created

There's your problem: reading "sources" from leftist media and Russian propaganda instead of from Ukrainians.

Ukraine in NATO? Really?

Which demonstrates your ignorance. When was Ukraine trying to join NATO? Or even the EU for that matter? Even the original protests was about opening up free trade with the EU. It wasn't about joining them.

How about if Putin makes Venezuela and Cuba part of the Russian Federation?

They practically are since they've long benefited from Russian support and international welfare. Even the retard communists in East Ukraine recognize that:

[AndyJackson]

When it comes to trying to get a ship through a narrow channel blocked by wreckage yeah I do know what I am talking about. And when it comes to trying to sail naval vessels over dry land - no I don’t have any experience trying to do that fortunately. I have some fellow officers who tried it to the great detriment of their careers.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

But the Crimea - it is a place, not a country, and the battle is over which country it is subject to. The Russian Navy has secured it since 1754 or some such, so it is theirs by the same right that Hawaii is ours.

But Crimea isn't Hawaii. It is not an island. It is a Ukrainian peninsula utterly dependent on Ukraine for electricity, water, and all its other resources, and is populated mostly by Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, and only has a large Russian population because they were imported after they killed off millions of Ukrainians and exiled the Tatars. The Russians can't even build a bridge to Crimea because every attempt fails due to a combination of their incompetence and the power of natural forces.

[AndyJackson]

You are a buffoon.

The head of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization signed agreements here Tuesday to expand cooperation with Ukraine and support for its armed forces, but senior Ukrainian officials made clear they want even closer ties and intend to pursue membership of the western alliance.
-WSJ article Sep 22, 2015

[AndyJackson]

Fine, you go fight the Russians for the Crimea. Just leave me out of it please.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

You are a buffoon.

The charge, monkey, is that the conflict started because Ukraine wanted to join NATO and the EU. Neither is true, although, in 2015, NATO membership certainly sounds like a good idea if you're a Ukrainian.

Russia lost Ukraine forever with this conflict and will never get control or influence over it again.

[Jim Noble]

Ukrainian government forces battling Russia-supported rebels in the east of that country have called into question Washington's commitment to them

Well then, they're not as dumb as they look.

"Washington" has zero commitment to them, and that number ain't going up anytime soon.

[AndyJackson]

But Crimea isn't Hawaii.

No, monkey, it is in the Black Sea, which the Russians can close to us in 10 minutes if they choose to do so.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

No, monkey, it is in the Black Sea, which the Russians can close to us in 10 minutes

The Russians can't even sail their one aircraft carrier without tug boats because the floating pile of crap breaks down constantly. The Russkies don't even have a real economy. Most of their revenue comes from natural resources such as oil, and even their armed forces is filled with brutal homosexual hazing, corruption and incompetence at every level, so bad that the Russians can't even beat Ukrainian militia despite having the advantage of air drones and a constant supply of tanks and advanced weaponry.

[AndyJackson]

The Russians can't even ...

Since their cruise missile apparently don't light off, their bombs apparently don't go boom and their bullets don't kill, I'd grab the brass ring if I were you. You want to be a hero. Go for it. Me, I'll pick my battles and not fight guaranteed losers on the other side of the world, defending the wrong side of an argument, i.e. Turkey's right to trade oil with ISIS while being a member of a coalition fighting ISIS.