What Every American Needs to Know About the Qur'an -A History of Islam & the United States

ebook (.pdf) ^ | 5/27/2010, 2007 | By William J. Federer

[Jim Robinson]

That’s it in a nutshell.

[Twinkie]

Right after 9/11; the preacher we had at that time
immediately launched into a “study of Islam” during our
Sunday evening “Bible” study. - I suppose he “meant well”.
He had my husband under his control at that time; so I
“cooperated”. This preacher still proceeded to lambast me
directly from his “bully pulpit”; and I finally just
called it quits. Husband stayed on there another 8 months;
got under more control, but finally, with a year of angst
and acting like a poop, he abruptly left up there. - We
have settled on another church for the past six years.
Like daylight and dark; but husband was under an iron fist
that I could not have imagined. I suspect this same
“preacher” would not have been one bit sad to see our
marriage end. I had the added “stuff” of husband being
pursued by a couple of women (divorcees) up there who *thought*
(mistakenly) he was “rich” due to his job at that time.
They would have been badly fooled & deservedly so.

[wildbill]

Excellent observation and I will incorporate it into anything I write to newspapers, blogs or friends.

[Stand Watch Listen]

taqiyyah:

-- In Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury.

-- Lying to non-Muslims in advance for Islam is allowed till Judgment Day Quran 3:28, 16:106

-- It is fine to deceive the infidels. They are just pigs anyways. In fact, al-Taqiyyah of the Qur'an compels protection of Islam by deception.

" . . .Then I told them they were *refugees*!!

A TEACHABLE MOMENT
…….....……………(of lessons from September 11, 1683)

The West and the Refugees

Replies the refugees: "It is our nature..."

[Albion Wilde]

BTTT

[TheCipher]

Here is a good book that shows the Muslim mindset and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Will88]

That's the word I have used here on FR instead of the the now popular "Radical" Muslims.

And Islamic Fundamentalism was the term used in the US media for a couple of decades from around 1980 forward, used to describe Iran and some of the early Islamic terrorists and kidnappers.

I recall foreign policy experts in the '80s saying that Islamic Fundamentalism would probably be our most serious problem in the future.

I think the term was dropped once and for all after 9/11 when our government and media decided no one could say anything bad about Islam.

[Stand Watch Listen]

[BubbaBasher]

Dear Freepers,

Don't be ignorant and think you don't need to know about our enemy. We should learn why they hate us, what their book teaches them, and what they are authorized to do to us.

Here's a fact I never knew from page 43 of the posted text.

After Mohammed died, a division arose in Islam:

Sunni Muslims believe Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, inherited Mohammed's authority and became the first Caliph.

Shi'a Muslims believe Mohammed's cousin and son-in-law, Ali Ibn Abi Talib, who was married to Mohammed's daughter Fatima, was the rightful Caliph.

I always wondered why there were two factions and now I know because I took a little time to read and explore.

Another fact: Mohammed was illiterate.

[daniel1212]

who verified the wiki citations ?

Using that as a primary reference for a book is a problem, and mostly likely resulted in most of them being deleted or changed by funded apologists. From what i have seen Mormonism has its editors sanitizing articles that impugn their org.

But from the Qur'an itself we can see

http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html of the Bible, though it attempts to piggy back on it.

[Elsie]

Revealing comparison image!

[Elsie]

I always wondered why there were two factions and now I know because I took a little time to read and explore.

There are two major splits in Mormonism as well; and for the same reason: Succession of leadership.

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Also, Islam has literally hundreds of varying ways of being observed; much like Mormonism:

With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called "Christians"
after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word "Mormon" to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn't appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark's "Pure Church of Christ" spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the "Mormons are Christians" campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith's teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion's Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion's Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley's Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message" (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb's Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb's Wife
Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups Mormons? Latter Day Saints? Christians?

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn't believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn't agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto --- groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!

[Elsie]

It appears one can speakout about the wrong thing at the wrong place.

[BenLurkin]

That guy with the musket is a Frenchman.

[Stand Watch Listen]

Hmmmmmm...perhaps one of the Frenchmen who helped the Continental Army defeat Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown.

[BenLurkin]

Possible, but judging by his furnishings (and the cut of the cuffs) I’d say French and Indian War.

But we get the idea and points of comparison.

[Spiridon]

I guess you could say its “M-bS” if you get the drift of what I’m posting.

[faithhopecharity]

anything Federer writes is definitely worth a look!

[wjcsux]

Later.