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USS Milwaukee, Navy's newest ship, towed to base after breaking down at sea
foxnews.com ^ | 12/12/2015 | FOXnews

Posted on 12/12/2015 5:08:04 PM PST by cripplecreek

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To: cripplecreek

Ever-increasing costs go hand-in-hand with more complexity and lower reliability


61 posted on 12/12/2015 6:42:13 PM PST by PGR88
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To: cripplecreek

Just another Little Crappy Ship.... a pier Queen. It’ll more time at the pier to fix whatever ain’t working than on the high seas. Each LCS needs a tug assigned to it.


62 posted on 12/12/2015 6:48:34 PM PST by batterycommander (...a little more rubble, a lot less trouble.)
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To: mkjessup

Was he a fudge packee/packer?


63 posted on 12/12/2015 6:53:57 PM PST by batterycommander (...a little more rubble, a lot less trouble.)
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To: Farmer Dean

The fear of an Admiral’s Inspection by guys like ADM Hyman Rickover is no longer a threat. More corners are cut nowadays.


64 posted on 12/12/2015 6:58:11 PM PST by waud
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To: cripplecreek
Less than that: 20 days.
From RT.com:

" While the ship has been criticized for insufficient armor and for sporting anemic offensive capabilities, a report from 2013 also found the fleet to be vulnerable to cyber attacks. That same year, the Defense Department's director of operational testing and evaluation said the LCS were "not expected to be survivable" in a "hostile combat environment."

Hmmm, combat vessel that can't survive a hostile environment.. Sounds perfect!

65 posted on 12/12/2015 7:04:13 PM PST by Redbob (#BlackCoffeeMatters)
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To: BobNative

Nothing that slug Obama does is worth a crap, is it? Total fail, all the time.


66 posted on 12/12/2015 7:10:06 PM PST by dforest
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To: cripplecreek

For $15-20k, they could have installed a clarifier in the line to clean the LO before it went to the filters. The clarifier is standard equipment on ships that have to make a living.

Metal debris in the LO filter? That is normal on the shakedown cruise, as there is a bit of grinding, welding, and threading residues, along with some debris associated with the engine wear-in, in the system after building the power plant. The real world solution is to chuck the dirty LO filter into the dustbin, and replace it. Later, when alongside, the LO can be changed out.

Perhaps they cannot afford to carry spare LO filters.


67 posted on 12/12/2015 7:22:17 PM PST by punchamullah
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To: Bob
I'd think that would be a prime consideration in combat survivability.

The LCS/Frigates have no combat survivability. They have very little in the form of local defense. The only reason casualties will be relatively small is the small crew size.

68 posted on 12/12/2015 7:38:25 PM PST by PAR35
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To: BBell

The Milwaukee is long past sea trials.

She was on the way to her home port.

The Zumwalt started her first sea trials on Monday, it will (hopefully) be another 6-9 months before she is ready to go.


69 posted on 12/12/2015 7:40:31 PM PST by Ready4Freddy
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To: fhayek

It is terrible that Army can’t field a better team. Year after year they get whooped by Navy and Air Force.


70 posted on 12/12/2015 7:42:50 PM PST by Jack Straw from Wichita
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To: punchamullah

True story as far as new technology integration goes. The first generation of computer controlled diesel engines in firefighting equipment were set to shut themselves down if system voltage dropped 10 volts. Great for the engine, tough luck for the firefighters on the end if a working hose line.


71 posted on 12/12/2015 7:47:00 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: punchamullah

It really depends on how much debris or sludge is in the filters (some is normal), and what exactly the debris is. It could be that there was enough stuff in the filter to cause concern about too much wear somewhere in the system, and they shut down propulsion as a precaution. Could be a wiped bearing—happens in new construction.

They will have to get a sample to a lab to determine the source of the contamination...something they can’t do at sea.

Don’t know about this ship’s propulsion....does it only have one screw? Spent MANY hours cleaning and inspecting propulsion plant lube oil filters on my boat (submarine for you civilians) many years ago. Filters were actually mesh bags with magnetic inserts to catch any ferrous particles....bags were reused after cleaning and only replaced periodically.


72 posted on 12/12/2015 8:13:14 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: cripplecreek

That re-usable cooking oil had too many chicken bones in it.


73 posted on 12/12/2015 8:20:59 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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74 posted on 12/12/2015 9:51:01 PM PST by o_1_2_3__ (Obama lied, people died - Holiday Edition)
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To: Farmer Dean

Only for Submarines.....


75 posted on 12/12/2015 10:44:09 PM PST by topspinr
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To: batterycommander

Don’t forget the huge mound of coffee grounds the will pile up under the ship while at the pier.


76 posted on 12/13/2015 4:29:50 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Bob

Suitability of the crew is a naval non-issue; spending big bucks for two ships that are “state of the art” is. After all it’s Pentagon prestige that makes the military so grand - all those metals and ribbons you know. Besides the Navy - the ocean going component - had to have some dubious equivalent to the USAF’s unbelievably expensive and poor performing dud, the F-35. Just loading their Navy’s carriers with F-35s was not good enough, they had to have a signature center piece to display their grandness and innate PC stupidity. The poor US Army, has no really expensive weapons systems planned, so they came up with a ‘relatively inexpensive’ idea that makes the Navy and AF decisions pale - admit women to all combat positions.

And so the table is set for the US to lose any future or present war.

And their is still another year to go for O’s plans - wonder what his finale will be?


77 posted on 12/13/2015 4:32:36 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: rottndog

Propulsion is through 4 X water jets powered by 36MW of gas turbines.

Shut down the defective unit, and make port at reduced speed. But that is not very dramatic.


78 posted on 12/13/2015 7:19:06 AM PST by punchamullah
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To: punchamullah

That’s what I thought...there is redundancy in the propulsion plant....so for them to be completely dead in the water has to be something very serious.


79 posted on 12/13/2015 12:57:13 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Redbob

Restrict them to friendly combat environments.


80 posted on 12/13/2015 5:25:07 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ('Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy for those who feel' - Horace Walpole)
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