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This Is Northrop Grumman's Idea Of A Sixth-Generation Fighter, But Is It Feasible?
Foxtrot Alpha ^ | 12 December 2015 | Tyler Rogoway

Posted on 12/13/2015 3:00:52 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Rashputin
When I was a kid, they didn't even have lasers...
21 posted on 12/13/2015 5:33:28 AM PST by null and void (muslims don't kill people, Climate Change kills people!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

At least the big laser turrets are so stealthy that you can’t see them in the renderings.


22 posted on 12/13/2015 5:36:52 AM PST by PAR35
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23 posted on 12/13/2015 5:50:06 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The camel is a horse built by committee.

Then there’s the F-35.


24 posted on 12/13/2015 5:58:16 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: hattend

I would think it would require the use of a directing nozzle to make the thing handle at all.


25 posted on 12/13/2015 6:01:02 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: ziravan

But it will employ space Muslims.


26 posted on 12/13/2015 6:01:39 AM PST by mcshot (The "Greatest Generation" would never have allowed the trashing of our Republic.)
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To: SkyPilot
May I highligth the Marines (who demanded their "jump jet")

Perhaps if the Air Force gave proper attention to CAS, the Marines would not feel as great a need for their "jump jet". Air support is a great thing to have, but when you really, really need it, it needs to be Close and NOW!

"Spooky" is our friend, as was the A-6 used with a RABFAC beacon or the A-10.

27 posted on 12/13/2015 6:03:36 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: null and void

28 posted on 12/13/2015 6:09:48 AM PST by sayfer bullets (I didnt leave the [---] party, the [---] party left me. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: BwanaNdege

The Marines have an institutional mindset of controlling their own CAS destiny that dates back to their real-world experience on Guadalcanal.

Whether the AF would take CAS seriously doesn’t play much of a role - the Marines will fight to the death over an organic CAS capability that operates from the assault ships. You can’t operate an A-10, or anything other than a VSTOL/STOVL from those ships.


29 posted on 12/13/2015 6:24:28 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: null and void
Well, they did have those secret weapon rays they zapped Godzilla with in Tokyo. We just didn't call them lasers.
30 posted on 12/13/2015 6:27:39 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: BwanaNdege

In 1949, the Key West Treaty stated that the Army would not arm their aircraft and the Air Force promised to supply all of the CAS needed by the Army.

Then the Air Force went off in search of high-altitude interceptors and heavy, nuclear-armed bombers and basically said, “Ha-Ha, fooled you!” to the Army, until that Army started arming their choppers.

The only reason the Army got the Mohawk is they snuck it in throught the USMC.

And now, the USAF wants to scrap the A-10 to pay for the FF-35.


31 posted on 12/13/2015 6:43:43 AM PST by Redleg Duke (The Federal Government is nothing but a welfare program with a dress code!)
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To: Fai Mao

I think it is because of the limited range of compact “directed energy” weapons. You still need to get the laser weapon platform close to the enemy to destroy him.


32 posted on 12/13/2015 7:05:42 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: ThunderSleeps; Fai Mao
The reason is simple ...because the countries that would be targeted by such advanced weapons can also develop energy weapons of their own. Against an 'Iraq' or an 'Afghanistan' type of country, even weapons that are decades old as of today can be used against them (the example I like to use is that a warmed over F-4 Phantom would be more than enough for over 98% of countries). It is that remaining 2% that may require something more 'special.' A C-130 heavily laden with lasers and shooting down any Russian/Chinese jets and missiles coming near if would be invincible, at least for sometime. Eventually, rather than a missile coming at it, the Russians/Chinese would eventually develop a directed energy weapon, and the C-130 crew would realize you cannot shoot down a laser beam with a laser beam.

This is why there will be a place for C-130 type planes with lasers, but only for shooting down ballistic missiles at their boost phase (with those ballistic missiles belonging to the likes of North Korea and Pakistan). But against true near-peer adversaries, like Russia and China, the USAF/USN will use advanced fighters armed with lasers. This will to avoid the circumstances that led to the U-2 getting shot down. Reliance on only ONE advantage, which in the case of the U-2 was very high flight altitude ...which worked until the Soviets got tired of being photographed with impunity, and developed a missile that could reach out to the altitudes that the U-2 used to fly with impunity previously. Compare the U-2 with the SR-71 for example ...the Blackbird can fly super high as well, but is also super fast (and by some measures, kind of stealthy). Those are layered advantages, and that approach works. Same reason why the F-22 has a high degree of stealth, can fly high, can fly fast (and super cruise), has extremely maneuverability, has an advanced radar that is hard to detect, etc. Why? Layered advantages, meaning that even if one is defeated the others are more than enough to maintain dominance.

The C-130 would have only one real advantage - the ability to smite down ALMOST anything coming at it - and that would work until, like the U-2s invincibility against SAMs, it didn't.

To be truly invincible it requires both invincibility through potence, as well as invincibility through invisibility. Leopards are powerful jungle cats, blessed of tooth and claw, but they still have great camouflage and creep up on their prey like silent shadows.

The C-130 would die over China. Not at first, but eventually it would.

33 posted on 12/13/2015 7:09:31 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: risen_feenix
The article points out that, if you have a speed-of-light weapon that can instantly be pointed in any direction, you can yield on top speed and maneuverability.

Laser weapons still have to shoot through a glass lens and have to point at the enemy. You cannot magically have the beam emerge from any point on the aircraft skin.

The Airborne Laser test bed turret was pretty ugly...


34 posted on 12/13/2015 7:14:00 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: Chainmail

“Why is that thing carrying a human pilot?”

To feed the dog.

The dog is there to bite the human if he touches anything.


35 posted on 12/13/2015 7:15:33 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Chainmail

The last few paragraphs discuss why it has a pilot. Lots of people agree that there won’t be pilots in 20 years and this is the last gasp of the dying jet jockey breed. Another suggestion in the article is that this entire aircraft design concept is a feint.


36 posted on 12/13/2015 7:17:33 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: smokingfrog

Yeah. Funny, isn’t it?

The Horten brothers did it in the ‘30s.


37 posted on 12/13/2015 7:30:13 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

It would be interesting to know whether or not it would have fooled the crude radar of that time. I think they just built it for the low drag concept though.


38 posted on 12/13/2015 9:09:59 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
while relying on lasers instead of maneuverability for self defense, little is lost while much is gained.

Interesting read, but I was dreading coming to this quote, knew it would show up.

Seems likes Deja Vu, all over again.

39 posted on 12/13/2015 10:50:32 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: JohnnyP
"The dog is there to bite the human if he touches anything."

Best laugh I've had in a long time!

Unfortunately, human G limitations limit the maneuverability of the airframe and in the near future that which maneuvers best, wins.

All human pilots give to the exercise will be to serve as a potential hostage if they survive.

40 posted on 12/13/2015 11:38:09 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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