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Dreaded Indie Presidential Bid Could Come From a Democrat
NY Mag ^ | 12-28-15 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 01/01/2016 7:13:20 AM PST by RKBA Democrat

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To: Colonel_Flagg
If Trump is the Republican candidate, the Democrat machine of ballot-management, crime and fraud will destroy him. The damage will also continue down-ticket.

Where is Cruz' path to victory? There is none. Whites will stay home again. Blue collar voters won't trust his and his wife's Wall St. connections. And how does Cruz help downticket races dominated by a GOPe that despises him?

According to Pew, The GOP could get a lowest-ever 20% of the Hispanic vote, 5% of the Black vote and still win with just an additional 4.5% of the White vote. The only poll I've seen asking this, by Gallup in September, showed a startling +8.5% boost for Trump among Whites. That is a landslide.

21 posted on 01/01/2016 8:46:41 AM PST by montag813
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Wow. Your perspective is completely wrong.


22 posted on 01/01/2016 8:49:25 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Webb has no base of support. He’ll get less votes than John Anderson.

And Anderson did not have any impact on any state in 1980, despite representing the George Will Republicans' hatred for and motivation against Reagan.

23 posted on 01/01/2016 8:51:09 AM PST by montag813
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To: Alberta's Child

Or Ronald Reagan, a fellow actor, entertainer, former Democrat, and former union president for two terms.


24 posted on 01/01/2016 8:54:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Perhaps, but lately he’s been railing against both Obama and Clinton on his Facebook page, and he does have a small group of loyal followers who are capable of disrupting the DNC’s best laid plans, at least in Virginia.


25 posted on 01/01/2016 9:01:01 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If Jim Webb wants to challenge Hillary and Bernie, he has a better stage to do so at the debates.

If he wants to siphon off moderate Democrat votes from Trump or a Republican challenger, he’s in it to aid Hillary Clinton.


26 posted on 01/01/2016 9:10:21 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Webb has no base of support. He'll get less votes than John Anderson.

Al Gore's boast of winning the popular vote in 2000 was within a 0.51% margin. Half a percent.

27 posted on 01/01/2016 9:12:15 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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To: Suz in AZ

I respect the nonvoters far more than those who go along to get along. Voting for lesser evils is how we ended up with mcinsane, the gobbler, and eddie munster. More often than not what we think of as the lesser evil during the campaign turns out to be the greater evil when they’re in office.

Voting at all is usually a bad idea. Voting for someone you don’t strongly agree with is an even worse idea.


28 posted on 01/01/2016 9:36:23 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Look closely at any evil and most times you'll find the unmistakable handprint of caesar.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
He’d be the the go to candidate for the gop-e.

How?

The thing with Trump is that he's bringing in all of those moderates and independents that the GOPe keeps telling us we need to "reach out" to. Plus the conservative base, and blue-collar Democrat types are crossing over for Trump.

That leaves the hard left. They're going to vote for Hillary because Webb isn't liberal enough. That leaves no support for Webb. His candidacy will have no reason to exist and I'd doubt he'll even run.

29 posted on 01/01/2016 9:37:35 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Alberta's Child
her strongest support will come from moderate Republicans.

Probably from elected moderate Republicans, but not actual voters.

30 posted on 01/01/2016 9:38:51 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: montag813

Now, I wasn’t even a gleam in my parents’ eyes in 1980, by from what I heard, you could say that ‘courting the white vote’ is what Reagan did. But not because of racism, not because what’s important to the white voter is important to everyone else too. We’re not as different as we think we are.

I think this is one reason Dems want us Balkanized like we are becoming.


31 posted on 01/01/2016 9:39:40 AM PST by Luircin
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To: Colonel_Flagg

>>If Trump is the Republican candidate, the Democrat machine of ballot-management, crime and fraud will destroy him. The damage will also continue down-ticket.

>>Donald Trump would be a disastrous candidate. Pure and simple. You want Hillary and a Democrat Senate? Nominate Trump.

The democrat vote fraud will happen regardless of who our candidate is. If the Trump-haters choose to stay home and not vote, then the defeat is on them.

I assure you that almost EVERY Trump supporter will be there to vote for Cruz if he is the nominee. The only petulant brats in this race who can “damage the down-ticket” are the Trump-haters (unless the GOPe brokers the convention and “choose” Yeb, Rubio, Romney, or someone else that didn’t actually get any votes in the primaries).


32 posted on 01/01/2016 9:45:38 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Sir, while I respect your views I find myself wondering about WHAT is your basis for saying Trump will ABSOLUTELY lose to Hillary Clinton and never mind the Senate.

Unless you know something I don’t know, the ONLY objective measuring stick regarding voter pre-direction available to ANYBODY on the planet are the various polls. Some no doubt start out trying to prove a point or to sway voter opinion. But, it is a fact that some of the more reputable polls show Trump losing by a couple points to Hillary and some show him winning by a couple points.

So, about the only reasonable conclusion the rest of us peasants can draw is that, according to the most reputable top 3 or 4 or 5 polls, this race, right now, is a toss up. You seem to argue that Trump does not have a chance against Hillary?

To be sure, there is a sub-set of freepers tootin the same horn so you are not the only one. But, a lot of us would like to hear some objective facts to support the “proclamation” that Trump is a SURE LOSER against Hillary.


33 posted on 01/01/2016 9:48:47 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: RKBA Democrat

So stay home and don’t complain about the increase in your property taxes went up because your city asked for $1.3 billion in bonds for stupid stuff and those who showed up passed it.

At least do a protest vote. Vote for who and what you DO agree with. And if you don’t, at least someone who won’t win but can be seen as a protest vote. Otherwise you don’t exist.

Voting at all is a bad idea? I guess you like being told what to do and how to live by others without your consent or input. Have fun with that.


34 posted on 01/01/2016 9:56:05 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: RKBA Democrat

Voting is a bad idea? Yeah. Please stay home. The rest of us will decide things for you.


35 posted on 01/01/2016 9:58:11 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: RKBA Democrat

Never happen.
Unlike the GOP-e, the RATS learn from the past.
It will either be Hillary or Bernie.
It all depends on where VJ goes.

If she and Obama go to the UN, it will be Hillary.
If she is Chief of Staff for Bernie, it will be Bernie.


36 posted on 01/01/2016 10:20:54 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Suz in AZ

Yup. You’ll get to pick between a uniparty shill with an R after their name versus a uniparty shill with a D after their name.

Rah. Lemme know how that works out for you.


37 posted on 01/01/2016 10:59:44 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Look closely at any evil and most times you'll find the unmistakable handprint of caesar.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

To my way of thinking, Trump is not the problem. Hillary is. Hillary winning the nomination of her party is Hillary too close to the White House for comfort.

She should have been knocked out by now. Benghazi, emails, whatever. Instead, she’s still running and it looks almost unopposed, unless you take Sanders seriously.


38 posted on 01/01/2016 11:08:02 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: Colonel_Flagg

STFU, Jeb!


39 posted on 01/01/2016 11:32:50 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (With Trump & Cruz, America can't lose!)
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To: ConservativeMind

Ronald Reagan was a two-time governor who spent 20 years on the speaking circuit, courtesy of GE, extolling solid conservative principles of limited government and personal freedom. Does that sound like Donald Trump?


40 posted on 01/01/2016 12:27:53 PM PST by riverdawg
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