Donald Trump: Don't change abortion laws

CBS News ^ | April 1, 2016 | Jake Miller

[mlizzy]

Yes. National security and providing for the common defense is without question important. But it is not alone the means to the ends. It is meaningless if we make that the number one priority over the Right of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It seems so simple, doesn't it?, yet we have grown complacent/cold toward our youngest patriots [and their mothers].

[NKP_Vet]

Ted Screws is a fake and phony on abortion. After Trump was attacked by the Fox and the liberal media for saying the truth about abortion, Ted Screws weighed in and said a woman is NEVER AT FAULT in an abortion and should never be punished. Makes no difference if abortion is outlawed or not. Screws, in his dimwitted haste to belittle Trump stepped in it when he sided with pro-abortion advocates by saying women who murder their unborn deserve a hug and not any type of punishment. Ted Screws says exactly what he thinks an audience at that particular minute wants to hear.

[Mechanicos]

yet if we do not get national security under control soon it will not matter since Islam does retroactive abortions of adults.

[mlizzy]

What do you think about this video in 1999?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

Which is followed up by this current commentary:

“I am not sure I have,” Trump said when asked if he’d ever asked God for forgiveness. “I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

[Bryanw92]

>>It would not be Donald-like to do so, even if the first attempts resulted in sticking his foot into it.

I think this proves that Donald works better when he refuses to admit that he was ever wrong, but instead just waits for a period of time and then says that he has changed his mind because he has discovered new facts.

In a sound-bite happy society, admitting that you are wrong is a bad idea. The Idiocracy never reads the whole story. In fact, the Idiocracy never READS anything.

[highball]

Accusations of lies and actual examples of lies are two different things.

Oh, absolutely. And we should never confuse the two.

But with Trump, we're well past accusations and into real, verifiable lies. Tons of them.

Hell, in the past week we've had Trump claim that MSNBC edited his interview with Chris Matthews to make Trump look bad, which is patently false on its face.

What's bizarre is that these are stupid lies. Easily-disproven lies, and lies he doesn't have to peddle. He has plenty of business successes, he doesn't have to claim that failures like Trump Magazine or Trump Steaks are still active business ventures. He doesn't have to claim that he made money on Trump Air instead of losing $100 million.

I'd respect a successful businessman who can learn from his failures. That's just life. I can't respect one who lies and insists that they were all successes.

[ronnietherocket3]

I'd respect a successful businessman who can learn from his failures. That's just life. I can't respect one who lies and insists that they were all successes.

At this point in society, someone who admits to mistakes will be attacked relentlessly. Reading the headlines on CNN this week has been interesting. Trump's campaign manager arrested, Trump has a bad week, Trump calls for punishing women who receive abortions. Today it is Trump's bad week. At no point in any of this did CNN admit that it made mistakes or attempt an honest investigation of anything.

I would agree with you, but modern society behaves in a manner contrary to that desire.

[Pinkbell]

They are referring to human beings being deprived of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If the unborn are human beings, they would fall under them. The only way the unborn wouldn’t fall under them is if the unborn are not persons.

[ronnietherocket3]

Every campaign should avoid it. It is an issue that is too emotionally-charged on both sides to have meaningful discussion.

A better way to handle it would probably be, "I was happy when my wife told me she was pregnant and I am happy to have children." Or, "I thought it was cute when my daughter came running up to me with this picture she drew in art class." One thing that appears to be missing from the pro-life movement is an actual happiness to have children.

[Georgia Girl 2]

No you cannot take things out of context and then ascribe them to something else. “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is not referencing abortion. Do you think that “the pursuit of happiness” is referencing gay marriage? If so then you should be supporting gay marriage.

[Bryanw92]

>>A better way to handle it would probably be, “I was happy when my wife told me she was pregnant and I am happy to have children.” Or, “I thought it was cute when my daughter came running up to me with this picture she drew in art class.” One thing that appears to be missing from the pro-life movement is an actual happiness to have children.

Good point and a very smart move. Just refuse to answer. It is kind of a “here’s a picture of bunny with a pancake on its head” move. You can’t win, so talk about your own children.

[Pinkbell]

It’s referring to persons. It doesn’t define what type of persons. All people. If the unborn are people, it applies.

A take on it by Mike Huckabee:

“Now I know one of the biggest battles going on in this city right now, and it’s a worthy battle and an important one – defund Planned Parenthood,” said Huckabee.

“When I hear people act as if, if we could just defund Planned Parenthood, man, we could break our arms patting ourselves on the back for being such heroes of the life movement, I want to just remind you of something: for 42 years, we have lived under the notion that it is a human right and privilege to take the life of an unborn child,” Huckabee added.

“Here’s what I’d like to propose: that we do something far bolder than simply cut out the funding for one agency that provides abortions, because as important as that is, it doesn’t end the nightmare, the scourge. It does not end this horrible, uncivilized savage behavior. It just moves it over to let someone else do it,” he said.

Huckabee said as president, he would raise the question: “Is the unborn child a person, is it just a blob of tissue?”

“And I believe with all my heart the answer to that question, we all know, it is a person,” he added.

Huckabee said no one ever said, “I’m going to have a blob of tissue.”

“None of your daughters and daughters-in-law ever called you up and said, Congratulations. Guess what? I’m going to have a blob of tissue. They called and said, I’m going to have a baby,” he said.

“I’m tired of hearing us say, oh maybe one day we can get a constitutional amendment, maybe we can get the courts to overturn Roe Wade. I’ve got a better idea: Since it is a human being, we already have the constitutional protection. It’s called the 5th Amendment that says that there will be due process before you deprive a person of life or liberty,” Huckabee said.

“As president, we will invoke the 5th and 14th Amendment. We will protect human life,” he added.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Mike Huckabee is also incorrect about the 14th and 15th amendments if that’s what he is saying.

As I asked before and you have not answered do the words “pursuit of happiness” mean that gay marriage should be legal? Sounds like it to me based on your assumptions. Do you think now that the Supreme Court was correct in handing down a decision forcing all 50 states to recognize gay marriage? Misinterpretations can cut both ways.

There is little doubt that abortion and gay marriage are issues for each state to decide.

[EternalVigilance]

There is little doubt that abortion and gay marriage are issues for each state to decide.

States' rights and powers do not supersede the laws of nature and nature's God, nor are they superior to the explicit equal protection requirements of the supreme law of the land, the Constitution of the United States.

[BillyBoy]

Ann Coulter nicely summarized the mentality of her fellow Trump supporters:

“I don’t care if Donald Trump wants to perform abortions in White House after this immigration policy paper”
-- Ann Coulter on Twitter

Plus, I'm sure a few of his fans were will point out that Trump promised them two weeks ago that he would appoint Scalia type judges. Therefore it doesn't matter what he's saying this week, or anything he consistently said for 20 years before he ran for President (when he was militantly pro-abortion including even partial birth abortion).

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuge wall, that's what matters (though that won't happen, either)

[BillyBoy]

Conservative beliefs:
God's law > U.S. state laws

Stephen A. Douglas "conservative" beliefs:
God's law < U.S. state laws

[EternalVigilance]

Yep.

[BillyBoy]

>> Trump says abortion is murder and would appoint pro-life judges. How many times do Ted Screws fans have to hear him say it before it sinks in. << <

As a Presidential candidate in 2008, Obama said over and over again that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that as President, he would never try to change that.

Obviously, if a politician says they believe something, it MUST be true, right?

[theoilpainter]

Actually Roe left open the ability to regulate some abortions, such as late term abortions. It depends upon who gets appointed to the Supreme Court.

Trump has no idea who he would appoint, as he has not thought thru this or any other position.

[little jeremiah]

Matthews did everything he could to catch Trump in make him look bad, Matthews is a sickening little piece of s*** viper and an utterly hostile interview with people he doesn’t like (or is tasted to be that way by his employer), so that has to be taken into consideration. Whether the interview was edited or not I have no idea, as I did not see it and I’d have to see both the non-edited and edited. If it was live and later edited, a person could see for themselves. If the live was taped and could be viewed in entirety as well as the edited one.

So you have evidence that there was no editing?

And in order to know the situation of various business ventures, one would need to see the books, final outcome, and all that stuff. I assume you’ve seen the detailed financial records of those? Or at least some kind of documentation? So you could bring links here or copy info so we could all see the lies, plus the times when Trump lied about them? TIA