Posted on 04/17/2016 4:26:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
Given that they are raping women for not being Muslim and beheading the men, no, waterboarding is not immoral.
Didn’t say he did. But he was not afraid of pain.
Any, as far as I can tell, waterboarding does no permanent damage, and fails to meet the level of torture, as I understand it.
At any rate, in this imperfect world, we are sometimes confronted with hard choices. In these cases, I will always choose my own side.
Nobody but the Left will try to stop you. However, the premise that your "side" of a conflict is also Jesus's side requires some logical argument and some realistic support, not just an assertion.
Yes. Next question.
Rape usually does no permanent physical damage, either. Your reasoning has ... gaps.
God flooded the whole earth to get rid of some very bad guys who would destroy mankind.
Let’s run with this.
“Is rape Biblical?” Sure it is. Plenty of rape is recorded in the Bible.
“Is it possible to use rape or the threat of rape to get information that couldn’t be gained by gentler methods?” Sure it is.
“Might that information prevent a deadly attack?” It can’t ruled out ... although it also can’t be proved that no other method, no other information source, would have achieved the same result.
“Does rape always cause permanent physical damage to the (male or female) subject?” No, it doesn’t.
Ergo, Jesus is in favor of rape, if “we” really think it’s essential.
Dear Doug Giles:
Waterboarding wasn’t invented yet when the Bible was written, so the Bible is silent on this topic. But thanks for asking.
Doug Giles is a putz.
Our own guys get waterboarded as part of training.
Truth
Protestant Christians may struggle with the bible falling to address a topic, but Catholic and Orthodox Christians have never had a problem with it, nor did the entire Christian world for the first 300 years of the religion, before the Bible had been published in its current form. The Bible is an excellent resource for Christian dogma, but it is not the ONLY resource.
It may not be Christian but it’s danged effective. :-)
HMMMmmm...
Going back BEFORE Christianity; it seemed to be ok to deal rather harshly with your ENEMIES.
And a putz who never spent a day in uniform.
The two are on no level equivalent. Also, there is no purpose to rape except the perverse pleasure of the rapist. The purpose of the waterboarding, at least in the context that we are discussing, is to gain information to save innocent lives.
Your answer is morally vacuous!
I did say that compared with the sacrifice of innocent lives, I don't think Jesus would have much of a problem with waterboarding to prevent that.
Jesus was not a pacifist; nor will He be when He comes again.
You say use logical arguments and realistic support? Fine. Show me that you know how to use them yourself. Learn to understand the literal meanings of written words instead of the fantasies you pour into those of others.
“Lot's of rape in the Bible”? Not generally highly though of there, although I will admit that a lot of it was committed by God's people. God sometimes permits things He does not condone.
You could threaten rape, or break a leg. but these are much more severe than I understand waterboarding to be.
In any event, give me your plan.
I don't say waterboard every 14-year old with an AK-47, but if the leaders are captured alive, I have no objections to a little persuasion.
Hey, if terrorists want to be treated by Geneva convention rules, then let them fight according to them.
In the cases of terrorist leaders, it seems extremely probable to me that this particular dichotomy could occur.
“Swatted at them”? Maybe a little rougher than that. “Scourge”, “overthrew”, “drove them from the temple” seem, how I say, somewhat more extreme than “swatted”
Matthew 21:12
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
John 2:14
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;
I’m all for it. Will get back to you with chapter and verse.
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