Now that Obama has gone to Hiroshima, "conservative" dogma is now frozen: Dropping the bombs was heroic and noble.
It looks like President Trump needs to root out all the Russian moles “re-educating” us at the Smithsonian...
It looks like President Trump needs to root out all the Russian moles “re-educating” us at the Smithsonian...
Now that Obama has gone to Hiroshima, "conservative" dogma is now frozen: Dropping the bombs was heroic and noble.
The Japanese were on the offensive as late as the summer of 1944, so of what value were such "peace overtures"? If they really wanted to surrender, they could have laid down their arms and run up the white flag at anytime.
Yes, I fully agree with "frozen conservative dogma," and to me, the crews of Enola Gay and Bock's Car are heroic and noble.
Note that this is from The New American, which is published by the John Birch Society—whose founder Robert Welch claimed that President Eisenhower was a Russian spy.
How about the truth to counter the fairy tales:
Excellent article with links to the reality of the cruelty and evil of the Japanese:
About the president in japan.
In college I worked on the paint crew. Often Jack, the retired boss, would come back and help out. Jack had fought in the Pacific in WWII and would tell me some of his war stories. We were talking about thanksgiving plans one day when jack said he would pray at dinner. Jack wasn’t a religious guy so I asked what he would be giving thanks for.
He said, “Every year I thank God for the atomic bomb”. His group was in training for the invasion of Japan when the bombs were dropped and Japan surrendered. Jack and the guys knew the odds of surviving the invasion were slim.
“So you are thankful the bomb saved your life?”
He replied, “Yes, but more than that. We knew they were training women and children to attack us. We were more afraid of having to live the rest of our lives with having killed little kids than the fear of our own deaths.”
The bomb was terrible, but the military was planning on possibly a million US casualties and several million more Japanese soldiers and civilians. In fact, the army ordered so many purple hearts that they are still today awarding medals from 1945.
because they wanted to end-win the war!
The Japanese were also trying to negotiate at the same time they were conducting the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. So what are we to believe, their actions or their words?
Diplomacy works only when those conducting the negotiations are acting with the authority for their masters to follow through on their promises. That clearly was not the case in Japan. The emperor used diplomacy only as a subterfuge to gain the upper hand, to deceive, and sway world opinion.
Hey, didn’t the same thing just happen with Iran?
This quote from the article struck me:
“One of the most compelling was transmitted by General MacArthur to President Roosevelt in January 1945, prior to the Yalta conference. MacArthur's communique stated that the Japanese were willing to surrender under terms which included.”
If Douglas MacArthur said the Japanese were ready to surrender in this communique. I'd believe him.
The main point of the article as I read it was that the Roosevelt Administration was rife with Communist influence. A influence that mirrored the aims of the Soviets. This is a historical fact knowing the affection Roosevelt held towards leftists.
When have American leftists ever been concerned with anything other that establishing a Communist dictatorship in the USA? Wouldn't they sacrifice American lives at Iwo Jima and Okinawa if it would suit there cause and in this case help the Soviet Union.
The American people have been betrayed by leftists in our government, self seeking political leaders and even top military leaders for one hundred years now.
If General Marshall was hell bent with other American top brass to utterly destroy the Imperial Japanese Army and Monarchy while at the same time being cheered on by the American left.(Whose allegiance was with the Soviet Union.) Then the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was inevitable.
The American pilots,soldiers, and sailors have been courageous and noble with few exceptions. It is their leaders have been found wanting and corrupt with regularity.
My father was in the China-Burma theater and would have been sent to Japan when the war ended.
If the destruction of Japan was to be accomplished by invasion or nuclear bombs, for the sake my family and others, the bomb was the better means.
So Arthur, I want to be clear in my understanding of your post.
Do you think it is a good or bad that we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
You can tell time but can you respond?
With so many opposing posts above,i doubt you’ll read this one - but I’ll write this anyway.
Your profile says you’re a priest.
Consider how God directed Israel to handle those who attacked Israel: not accept the first suggestion of surrender, but to DESTROY them utterly to the last child. “Nice” outcomes involved enslaving the survivors. Returning to the status quo wasn’t an option.
In the most generous allowance of the article’s premise, at best Japan wanted to return to the status quo. Having initiated the war, killed millions, caused $billions in damage, they just wanted to stop the conflict and resume the prior peace while retaining and rebuilding the ability to start similar wars again. Japan had a long history of military aggression, and (having stirred a greater enemy than expected) intended to continue such long established ways.
America would not tolerate an end where that long history of aggression would continue. America wanted the war to not just halt, but to END Japan’s aggressive tendencies. We didn’t just want to pause the hostilities, but like Israel proceed to END the enemy’s ability & will to wage war.
It’s one thing to stop fighting a bully because he wants to stop.
It’s another to stop such that he repents his bullying ways.
To test it on a bunch of warring belligerents who asked for it.
And to save American lives.
The bombs were a great gift from the USA to Japan.
They were an entire country taking their meals from the chamber pot of a sawed off, tin god asshole of an emperor, committing unspeakable atrocities in a complete state of unfounded arrogance.
Look at 'em now, a wonderful, peaceful, productive country. No, not absolutely, but by comparison to most other miserable countries, definitely.
In my opinion, and I'm not even close to alone in this, a truce, a treaty, or even a thorough conventional ass kicking would not have achieved this fortunate outcome.
Spiking a couple of million degree footballs worked like a charm.
Historical revisionism.
US was 100% justified in the use of atomic weapons at the end of the war on the targets hit.
Much more valid arguments could be levied against the US if we had not used them.
As we have now achieved our war aims in the Pacific, can we end this dispute, so we can get back to China(if that's OK with you).