Trump's foes on immigration: corporations

CNN ^ | 2/7/17 | Chris Isidore

[DiogenesLamp]

I've been using a similar argument for the past few months, i.e., "The proponents of illegal immigration like the idea of a large pool of cheap labor provided by people of color. Does that suggest any historical parallels?"

Another ping to a Civil War thread. :)

[bobcat62]

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[DiogenesLamp]

Notice how many of these same companies are pretty much a who’s who on the biggest “legal” IRS tax cheats in the world. The USA federal corporate tax rate is 35% for large companies. But these guys play accounting games to cheat out the IRS and the American people. The accounting games they play are made possible thanks to our international trade deals and their lobbying efforts to change the tax rules so they could cheat legally.

I would focus heavily on the movie industry's screwy accounting. They play games that would get other businessmen put in jail, yet they keep getting away with it.

Also, they like themselves some socialism so much, the least they can do is pay more of the cost of socialism. Perhaps after paying more, they might decide socialism isn't such a great idea?

[DiogenesLamp]

Crony capitalists have been at war with US citizens (overtly/covertly, varying degrees) for many generations.

I think this kicked into high gear around the time of the Civil War. The "Robber Barons" exerted a huge influence on the government in that era, which is probably the reason the post Lincoln era was known to be one of the most corrupt periods in history.

[DiogenesLamp]

Corporations are really the ones who benefit from Food Stamps too.

Not all criticism of corporations is left-wing kookery.

For years I considered the left's focus on "Corporations" to be some sort of madness. I have come around to the thinking that many are indeed doing evil things, most of which have to do with influencing government and influencing public policy.

[DiogenesLamp]

You and I get this. So do most commenting on this thread. Unfortunately, some conservatives have a knee-jerk reaction that dismisses all criticism of corporate interests as "left-wing socialism" even when corporations benefit from Federal subsidies, taxpayer sponsored bail-outs, or from the immigration policies championed by the Left.

I have come around regarding the left's obsession with corporate malevolence. A lot has been revealed to make me see them as potential threats to the greater good.

[DiogenesLamp]

Corporations vamoosed the right side of the ranch a long time ago. They are run by kooky Ivy Leaguers now.

" Let’s not delude ourselves. America is ruled by the Five Cities, Boston, New York, Washington, ...[Chicago], and Hollywood. The rest of us just pay taxes. The heart of the beast is New York, the Ivies being its nursery and Washington its storefront."

Fred on Everything.

[Original Lurker]

Mulengeons are of vicious extraction.
It’s for obvious reasons Obama likened himself to Mulengeon Lincoln.

[mikeIII]

There are many Persians in America in skilled and influential positions. They are also not involved in Terrorism in America.

Had Trump substituted Pakistan and/or Saudi Arabia, we may not have run into such opposition to the ban. To a large extent, our problem is with the Iranian leadership, not the exiled Persians, who will probably support a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. If Iran provokes us again, we should do just that.

[ek_hornbeck]

Had Trump substituted Pakistan and/or Saudi Arabia, we may not have run into such opposition to the ban. To a large extent, our problem is with the Iranian leadership, not the exiled Persians, who will probably support a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. If Iran provokes us again, we should do just that.

Since Saudis accounted for most of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, and Saudi money pays for the most radical Wahhabi Mosques in the US and Europe, excluding Saudi Arabia from the no entry list makes no sense.

[EBH]

bushamma has been a Cleveland Clinic employee on a work visa since July. The Associated Press reports that she had been on a trip to Saudi Arabia and was detained in New York City under Trump’s temporary ban before she was sent back to the Middle East. Abushamma is from Sudan, one of seven Muslim-majority countries included in Trump’s executive order.

Abushamma’s visa was canceled as part of the ban, but she received a visa waiver this week and was readmitted to her prior status.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-clinic-to-give-update-on-doctor-banned-from-us-under-trumps-immigration-order/402393217

[EBH]

Ping to 51

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Discussing the Civil War, I have come to believe that is where this stuff started.
Once they realized they could influence the government to their profit, they never stopped doing it. "

It certainly started long, long before the Civil War, and the key fact to remember is that those big-business corporate types, back then as now, were all Democrats, globalists then with cotton, tobacco & other Southern commodities, today with technology & finance.

Republicans then as now were a different kind of people.
We were & are farmers, small towns, small businesses, traditional Christian believers, patriots, independent, suburbanites, self-reliant, freedom loving and constitutionalists.
Sure, some big-business urban people still remember their small-town roots and remain Republican, but by far more join with globalist Democrats just as they did in, say, 1860.

Back before the 1850s, in the antebellum South, those same kinds of people were Southern Whigs who helped elect Whig Presidents Harrison and Taylor.
When Whigs disappeared, those people became the American Party and in 1860 Constitutional Unionists.

It was Democrats then as now who threw a hissy-fit, threatened disruption, chaos & secession if they didn't get their way.
And in 1861 big-city, big-business types supported them all the way... until, until... until secessionists renounced & revoked their debt payments.
Then financial types temporarily allied with Republicans to recoup their losses.

After the Civil War, the old big-city, Southern planter alliance quickly reasserted itself, again electing a Democrat President in 1884:

[mikeIII]

Agreed.