Posted on 03/08/2017 6:50:11 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I have to believe Trump has seen everything by now. He wants congress to include this aspect in their investigation so it can be “discovered”. When the legislative branch make a criminal referral, Trump’s DOJ will be more than happy to drain some swamp.
So, Allahpundit, it must be perfectly legal to make public the words of the party that was NOT the target. That must be part of the law, written right into it: ‘if you intercept the words of an innocent American, NOT the target, that half of the conversation can be freely shared with any Leftist news outlet—providing the innocent party is a conservative.’
If not, surely the intelligent, sophisticated Allahpundit would have noted by how egregiously the existing law was broken.
Bol.
Thanks, this will be used as another hammer against the NY Slimes.
Flynn lied to Pence, no more, no less.
Ah, there’s that Rosenberg name again. A blast from the past. And we all know what happened to Julius and Ethel. Wondering if this guy is related?
“obammie=rockfish”
As I understand it, when asked by the Vice President if he had had any Russian contacts, he told the VP, no, which was a lie!
RE: How would Rosenberg claim that, unless connected?
It says in the article:
“Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.”
So, there was an attempt to wiretap AMERICAN CITIZENS if the above statement is correct.
However, to make it look like the wire tapping was LEGAL, they had to make it look like it was the Russians they were doing surveillance on. They have a legal out if an independent investigator were to look into this.
Clever and lawyerly indeed ( but also sinister ).
Yes, in a way. Everyone you listed except Trump plays by the official political playbook where every utterance is precisely defined and analyzed, just like the box score in a baseball game will tell you how each inning of the game unfolded.
Trump however is more like a bar brawler than an organized sport. He tweets “My wires were tapped by Obama!” and every American with a 4th grade or higher education understands exactly what he means. It matters not who was the target or anything else. Trump is right, in essence. People will remember that he started swinging and people got the crap beat out of them, regardless of whether it was a black eye here or a broken arm there.
Trump doesn’t do “nuance” and doesn’t parse his words like a Clinton lawyer, so to the media, he’s wrong or “guilty” as you put it, and the others who hide behind legal weaselwords.
RE: So, Allahpundit, it must be perfectly legal to make public the words of the party that was NOT the target.
I don’t think that was the point of the article. The point of AllahPundit’s article was simply to show WHO the target of the surveillance really was.
The leak to the press itself is illegal and whoever did it must be discovered and prosecuted.
Some of the pictures you posted was already posted in the original article.
Yep!
I think Flynn was an Operative for Trump to draw this whole thing of spying and leaking out. He kept his cover even with the VP. So he wasn’t in this for the long haul. Now with all of this out on the table and his mission complete, the lie to the VP was mission cover for his exit.
Then why was a request to get a FISA warrant specifically TARGETING Trump get turned down? There was clearly intent.
The story as I recall it is that Obama ordered or requested the authority to keep listening to the Trump aids, so in effect they were added to the wiretapping of the Russians. Otherwise, the government would have had to sign off soon after the conversation with an American started. Not that I believe those rules ever stopped them, anyway, but they wanted legal cover.
However, Bannon posted on FB that they have absolute proof they were tapped.
If Flynn wasn’t the target, then the leak is a felony.
If Flynn was the target, then FISA docs will show it.
My bet is that flynn was not the target but that the felonious leak was one component of an attempt at a coup. There better be people in jail without pensions - or we’ll have this happening forever.
Flynn was fired for lying to the VP.
I agree. Flynn was bait. He was already controversial and despised by some in the US intelligence community. He was, to them, low hanging fruit and an apparently easy target. His mission was to be a ‘wild weasel’ to draw fire. Once his mission was complete he left the airspace.
RE: But Trump IS guilty because of how you define “wiretapped” and “target” and “inside the Trump Tower” .....
____________________________________________________
Actually, the Times gave their own explanation.
Elisabeth Bumiller, the bureau chief, said the January story was referring to information picked up from wiretaps and other intelligence collected overseas, a process that requires no warrants.
It wasn’t the point of the article. But reading the article gives the absolute impression that as long as the Russian ambassador was the target, everything was legal. It would A, not encumber the article, and B, improve its accuracy fundamentally, to mention that leaking wiretapped conversations of innocent, non-targeted Americans is a major breach of the law.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.